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Re: Sunday Press. "City may face Euro Expulsion"

Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
I wonder how many of the Uefa 'football family' of snout in the trough, gravy train travellers will accept MCFC hospitality when we play Barca, and then attempt to screw us?

Do you think they give a shit

Look at what they did to the England World Cup bid

Football politics is such that they smile to your face and knife you in the back
 
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Prestwich_Blue said:
Keith Moon said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
In short, because it restricts competition. I believe that legal opinion given to our owners supports this.

Correct, a judicial challenge of the FFPR at ECJ will only have one outcome.
Not necessarily but it is wide open to challenge. This is an interesting article on the subject:
http://www.soccernomics-agency.com/?p=469


I read the piece in the link.
Well to be honest, I read a bit of it, then stared at the ceiling for the length of time I thought it would take to finish it, then came back here.
Maybe later when I'm more awake or have access to caffeine and/or cocaine.
No wonder lawyers get away with earning so much, the shifty fuckers read and write gobbledygook like this all day!

Sorry PB, feeling totally thick today.<br /><br />-- Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:14 pm --<br /><br />
SrilankanBlue said:
I'd like to draw your attention back to Simon Mullock's tweets when the Accounts came out, keep in mind this guy is briefed regularly by the club.

"@MullockSMirror Jan 29
I was told last week that Man City's accounts would make no reference to FFP

‏@MullockSMirror Jan 29
The club do not want to validate a UEFA regulation that they believe contravenes European law
"

We fear no one.


Thanks for that, love it.
 
Re: Sunday Press. "City may face Euro Expulsion"

Biggest non story of the weekend. However it does show just how scared Arsenal, United, Chelsea, etc are of what Sheikh Mansour is building.
 
Re: "City face Euro Expulsion"

Wilf Wild 1937 said:
A little bit of me hopes that they try and ban us. We could then bankrupt those amongst the G14 cartel of clubs that oppose us & their puppet organisation EUFA in one stroke. We haven't disclosed whether we passed FFP or not because we don't think its legal. Any statement by us that
we have either passed or failed it implies that we acknowledge its legal, which we don't. Simple message to anybody, including EUFA, who try and impose any sanction against us (including something trivial such as reducing our squad for the CL from 25 to 24) is see you in court.
If the European courts back FFP then venture capital investment in any business within the EU suddenly comes under threat from the existing companies in that business. This isn't going to happen folks unless EUFA have a death wish.

Yes.
This has to be the most reassuring aspect of the whole FFP fiasco. So far anyway!
Why give credence to a flawed attempt at perpetuating the status quo?
Fuck Mourinho and the arse-licking media bell-ends.
 
Re: Sunday Press. "City may face Euro Expulsion"

Absolutely nothing to worry about here.

First of all didn't UEFA mention that they will be lenient on clubs who are showing a positive trend? Therefore if halving our losses and boosting our income in for two consecutive years is not considered showing an positive trend then nothing will be.

Secondly, it has been suggested that we are on course to break even next season. If we have a low profiled summer transfer window spending around 20 million (bare in mind we may already have Zucculini and Fernado for next to nothing) that again is showing that we are being compliant towards FFP.

Whilst reports have suggested that City aren't interested in FFP, the club is most definitely still interested in breaking even and making a profit. People shouldn't think we are cutting back to comply with UEFA, this is a move that is best for City.

Finally, and IMO our wildcard is using one of the clubs who are against us as an example. We only have to mention Chelsea and use the model they adopted to get where they are as an example. We will point towards them heavily investing in the squad in order to be in the position they are in and mention how we earn more money than them.

Which ever way we look at our finances it all points to us falling way inside the FFP bracket next season. If UEFA did decide to ban us then that will be the start of a Euro super league. For a start everyone will be aware of how the European powerhouse clubs dictate UEFA policy. Also I would not be surprized to see European clubs for smaller leagues complain at how they cannot compete with the Elite clubs.
 
Re: Sunday Press. "City may face Euro Expulsion"

BillyShears said:
Biggest non story of the weekend. However it does show just how scared Arsenal, United, Chelsea, etc are of what Sheikh Mansour is building.
That is a contradiction. If Arsenal and Utd are under pressure, what will they do?
 
Re: "City face Euro Expulsion"

Wilf Wild 1937 said:
bobbyowenquiff said:
This is just the start of the dirty tricks from our bitter rivals. Mourinho always operates like this. It is clear this has been leaked to try and de-stabilise us before Monday's match. The little Englander Daily Mail is driven by its xenophobic hatred for our owners. As far as the Mail is concerned we have the wrong sort of owners. It is essentially racism.

Totally agree. The Mail opposes just about all forms of immigration into this country despite the benefits to the economy having been proven to
outweigh the costs. I think that they only recently stopped sporting Hitler.


I've not heard of that team?
Certainly not in the Bundesliga are they?
 
Re: Sunday Press. "City may face Euro Expulsion"

Marvin said:
BillyShears said:
Biggest non story of the weekend. However it does show just how scared Arsenal, United, Chelsea, etc are of what Sheikh Mansour is building.
That is a contradiction. If Arsenal and Utd are under pressure, what will they do?

Hardly a contradiction mate. They can't do anything other than leak shitty non stories like this one threatening things which they will never do. Means fuck all.

What is beginning to frighten them is that Sheikh Mansour isn't going away, City are getting bigger and better, and they simply can't compete.
 
Re: Sunday Press. "City may face Euro Expulsion"

Its finally beginning to dawn on them all that all the promises made in 2008 have been kept and that there is a new club about to go on and rule European football for decades to come.

Hilarious :-)
 
Re: "City face Euro Expulsion"

dctid said:
It realy fucks me off that Le LArse whom we have finished higher than for the last three years and whom on at least one occassion had to qualify for the CL via the knockouts still get seeded above us, so get an easier route to the round of 16 which them means they get more UEFA points so retain theur seeding for the following year and the money circle continues

Seeding should be restricted to those teams that qualify automtocally. Those teams that have to qualify should if they are successful get relgated by a pot, so Le Larse would be in Pot 2 but thats not good for the old G14 finances.
Too right. The other bullshit rule is that you get the same UEFA points for a win whether you beat Barcelona or Victoria Plzen. Another rule put in place to favour the already seeded teams.<br /><br />-- Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:39 pm --<br /><br />
dctid said:
lmjones1uk said:
Havnt Chelsea failed FFP as well then, 2012 = 1.4m profit & 2013 = 49m loss

At first that why i though they sold Mata but they have also spent at least that this wondow so yup your correct
Presumably like us, a certain portion of that is allowable loss (investment in youth, infrastructure, etc).
 
Sunday Press. "City may face Euro Expulsion"

Oh please... This whole propaganda exercise by Morinho was all about unsettling city before Mondays match. I personally think it will backfire.

Let's look at tho objectively:
- Do we really believe City haven't employed an excellent team of accountants and lawyers to check the legalities of every deal?
- Do we believe that same legal team have not looked into every scenario that may arise including the current 'pathetic 3' appeal to Platini.
-Do we believe that if UEFA do try to impose sanctions that that same team do not have aggressive defensive strategies ready to challenge anything they can accuse us of? They could keep it in the legal system for years!

Here is the big one!
- UEFA will have to justify a sanction against a club with zero debt whilst turning a blind eye to the likes of ManYoo. That seems almost indefensible in court.

On the back of that...
- All we need to do is take a loan and burden the club with debt to meet the restrictions. A bank in Abu Dhabi should do nicely!

Don't buy into the press trying to destabilise us. It's not even worthy of public comment and I hope the club resist rising to the 'pathetic 3' attempting to cause us to derail by 'unfair play' via the red press.
 
Re: Sunday Press. "City may face Euro Expulsion"

blueinsa said:
Its finally beginning to dawn on them all that all the promises made in 2008 have been kept and that there is a new club about to go on and rule European football for decades to come.

Hilarious :-)


yes indeed. Would be nice to watch Maureen's face as he drives past the new campus tomorrow - jealous ****
 
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Prestwich_Blue said:
Keith Moon said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
In short, because it restricts competition. I believe that legal opinion given to our owners supports this.

Correct, a judicial challenge of the FFPR at ECJ will only have one outcome.
Not necessarily but it is wide open to challenge. This is an interesting article on the subject:
http://www.soccernomics-agency.com/?p=469

Thanks for posting the link to Prof Weatherill's article, PB, which I think demonstrates the obvious point that any discussion of FFPR on this thread must confine itself to the application of the regulations to City. Dealing in wide questions of principle is not the concern of Manchester City: showing that we are doing nothing that violates commercial law or the interests of football is the club's concern. As is usual, the Sheikh and his advisers are ten steps ahead of the rest! The club will have no difficulty in showing that what it has done is in no way akin to the "sugar daddy model" of developing and running a football club, but is, no more and no less, a model to make City competitive at the highest level. If UEFA's aim is to protect competition while protecting the long term "viability and sustainability of club football" then City have played it their way. If this aim is consistent with European law (which is highly questionable in the light of the Bosman ruling), despite it's restrictive intent, then City are exemplary in their attempt to conform with these rules. Any attempt to impose sanctions on City would show the rules are not intended to protect football, but the position of other clubs who owe their position to advantages provided by earlier "sugar daddies" (we know who you are..).

The Sheikh has invested in the club, not "doped" it - the evidence of this investment is observable to anyone visiting east Manchester, if only for a few minutes. It is clear on the pitch. He has actually paid off the club's debts, as evidenced by the latest accounts. The club is moving inexorably to balance the books - each year has seen the deficit halved. This is being achieved not by injections of cash from the owner, though this seems to be his right under EU law, but by encouraging those revenue streams which are specifically "encouraged" by FFPR. The Etihad sponsorship deal is not a related party deal, (by European accounting standards) and the question of "market value" does not arise. Sale of intellectual property follows normal international practice. Our balance sheet shows conformity both to commercial law and to the more dubious letter of FFPR.

I suspect this is what City have been pointing out to M. Platini for three years, and pointing out that any attempt to impose sanctions on City would show that FFPR's avowed aims were a shabby cover for a corrupt attempt to protect a bunch of conspirators of whom he is mightily afraid. The whole edifice of FFPR would inevitably be compromised, a break away may well ensue...Much better not to make City a test case for a bunch of (more than) dubious principles.
 
Re: Sunday Press. "City may face Euro Expulsion"

one thing i was not aware of was that our figures included for a 10 million pay off to Bobby and his team i presume

UEFA do allow exceptional costs so we can take 10 million off what we have disclosed already

Cant see a problem but i do think that if UEFA can fuck usover they will
 
Re: Sunday Press. "City may face Euro Expulsion"

I hear people talk of fairness - it wasn't intended to be fair. People talk of how ineffective it is in tackling the real problem of debt - it wasn't intended to tackle debt. People talk of how it's bad for the game by effectively stifling competition - it wasn't intended to be good for the game. UEFA was allowed to bring in FFP in it's current format by the top clubs, because they are all multi million pound businesses looking to protect their income streams, by effectively blocking the possibility of any rival clubs challenging their dominance by setting their financial advantage in stone. If UEFA had introduced FFP regulations that were fair, tackled debt and encouraged competition, we'd have seen a breakaway European Super League before you could say hypocritical bastards.
 
Re: Sunday Press. "City may face Euro Expulsion"

dctid said:
one thing i was not aware of was that our figures included for a 10 million pay off to Bobby and his team i presume

UEFA do allow exceptional costs so we can take 10 million off what we have disclosed already

Cant see a problem but i do think that if UEFA can fuck usover they will

It isn't really UEFA who want to fuck us over, they'll be happy that the game is attracting big money investors. What this is all about is a couple of hacks desparately clutching at straws because they think they've spotted a loophole in the rules and seriously believe other clubs will pick up on it. I doubt any other PL club will even think about a challenge because ...

a) It is almost certainly a lost cause
b) If they did somehow succeed, it would prevent themselves being subject to takeover by a similar investor for a number of years to come by setting a precedent in law.
 
Re: "City face Euro Expulsion"

jay laruja said:
The whole logic of the FFP baffles me.

You can't spend money you did not earn.
You can't earn money if you don't win.
You can't win if you don't spend money. (At least a quick view on the recent PL winners says so.)

The top clubs continue to dominate and the "poorer" clubs has to waddle in mediocrity hoping the said top clubs don't come and pry their best players. I don't really see how FFP is fair or how it is helping football. It's purely a means to ward off any new competition.

It's simply a cartel, Nothing more, nothing less.
They don't want the MCFC piggy in the golden CL trough with them and thought FFP would stop us. Unfortunately for them the Sheikh employs the best business leaders, accountants and lawyers there are,
 

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