City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Soriano pushing for an extension of the monitoring period from 3 to 7 years.

Article from the Telegraph:


The likes of Roman Abramovich and Sheik Mansour could be given more leeway to spend big under Uefa’s Financial Fair Play regulations after Manchester City lobbied for rule changes that would allow billionaire benefactors extra time to balance a club’s books. European football’s governing body is to consider proposals put forward by City and Paris Saint-Germain during what it revealed was a “full and frank” meeting to discuss the future of FFP on Monday, the first since both teams were fined a world-record £49 million for failing its break-even test.

City’s chief executive, Ferran Soriano, was among those to argue that Uefa’s current three-year monitoring period should be extended by up to seven years to allow clubs to live the same rags-to-riches dream pursued by his side and Chelsea. One of the major criticisms of FFP is that it may make it much more difficult for new teams to break into the elite of European football.
Yet, any extension of the monitoring period would have to be weighed against the risk that those without sufficient resources may resume the “reckless spending and financial insanity” that prompted Uefa to devise FFP in the first place. Its president, Michel Platini, is understood to be open to exploring the matter as part of a planned evolution of the regulations from a cost-control measure towards a system that encourages growth.

Any immediate amendments were ruled out during Monday’s meeting of Uefa’s stakeholders, as was the introduction of debt-reduction into the FFP rules, something that would have brought Manchester United under greater scrutiny.

Platini said: “We have succeeded in reducing the cumulative losses of European clubs and in stabilising European football’s finances.
“We must now work together to ensure that clubs can grow and prosper in the future – and today’s discussions were an encouraging step in that direction.”

Monday's meeting was attended by representatives of the Football Association, European Club Association, European Professional Football Leagues, FIFPro, the German Football League – as well as executives from Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, AC Milan, Juventus, Ajax, Lyon, Zenit St Petersburg and Olympiakos.

The chairman of the ECA and Bayern, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said: “Financial Fair Play is a bonus for club football and helps ensure the future sustainable development of the game.
“Economic rationality must be top priority. ECA strongly welcomes Financial Fair Play and places significant trust in Uefa and its president, Michel Platini.”
 
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cibaman said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
BlueAnorak said:
Ossification (non-medical definition) = The process of becoming rigid or inflexible in habits, attitudes, opinions, etc.:

i.e. In UEFA's case: The creation of a cartel of serial unchanging champions League qualifiers, a champions league draw that pulls out similar fixtures every year.
That's precisely why I found its use interesting.

I think they're referring to the need to avoid ossification, not being too rigid in their rules, For example, not being restricted by accepted definitions of related party transactions. Or having sufficient flexibility to allow a team finishing 7th to play in the competition in certain circumstances.
Makes more sense tbh.
 
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Ossification, in the sporting sense, is the feared, ultimate outcome of FFP. It does not simply refer to the CL The effects of the break even rule will begin by ensuring that the same clubs qualify for the CL, but then the same clubs will emerge in 6th, 7th, 8th and so on, until matches are totally predictable and the table could be published at the start of the season rather than waiting till the end. The only unpredictable football where it will be difficult to predict which one of 2 or 3 clubs will win a knockout tournament where 6 victories will suffice.
 
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nmc said:
Fallingbostel Blue said:
Rummenigge trying to justify the existence of FFP.


Rummenigge: Clubs must work together on FFP

Bayern Munich president Karl-Heinz Rummenigge wants to see European clubs work together to ensure Financial Fair Play (FFP) is adhered to.

A host of clubs have been investigated by UEFA in recent months after possible breaches of FFP regulations, including Liverpool, Inter and Roma.

Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain, meanwhile, were both fined and hit with sanctions by the governing body in May for breaches of the regulations.

Rummenigge believes fines and sanctions are not the right way forward, though, and says self-regulation between the clubs is the best way for FFP to be implemented.

"Basically I'm not a friend of penalties as there are many examples in politics that show sanctions are not getting the intended results," he told Goal.


"I'm a person who likes to convince. We've got a meeting at UEFA in Geneva on which the president of PSG and the chairman of Man City will participate, and also clubs will participate who have well implemented the guidelines of FFP.

"At the end of the day we need to create a community. We're all in the same boat and we need to row together for the benefit of football.

"I can remember a conversation with [UEFA president Michel] Platini and me with Roman Abramovich, the owner of Chelsea and he uttered very positive [words] about FFP. He had to spend hundreds of millions of euros every year to equalise the deficits of the club and to keep the balance sheets in good conditions.

"That cannot be in the interest of an investor.

"We heard the same from Silvio Berlusconi, owner of Milan, and Massimo Moratti, former owner of Inter.

"Actually I've heard nobody commenting negative about FFP.

"It's about us and especially about Platini to convince these persons to walk alongside to this path and not to try to go their own way."

Read more at <a class="postlink" href="http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/clubs-must-work-together-implement-ffp-rummenigge#UTqBFHIJDKiPyQqi.99" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/clubs-m ... KiPyQqi.99</a>

That's right Karl - remember how the Treaty of Versailles worked out.

Apparently the original draft of Karl's contribution was:-

"I don't want any moaning about FFP. We've clobbered City and PSG and though we don't want to clobber Liverpool we will if they don't buck their ideas ou, talk the talk but, most of all, walk the walk. So on Monday think deeply about FFP - that's why we're inviting you to what we call 'a concentration camp" - and agree with me - or the firing squad will come out. If you know what's good for you, you'll sing my song, and agree that what Bayern want is best for football. We managed to bribe Abramovitch into toeing the line when Platini and I got him on his own. Berlusconi and Moratti were pushovers, bloody skint Italians. We'll get Soriano and that Qatari bloke on their own, and when they realise they won't get out alive unless they forget that I'm actually just a dishonest business rival ans accept that Bayern know best, everything will be hunky dory. "
 
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BluessinceHydeRoad said:
nmc said:
Fallingbostel Blue said:
Rummenigge trying to justify the existence of FFP.


Rummenigge: Clubs must work together on FFP

Bayern Munich president Karl-Heinz Rummenigge wants to see European clubs work together to ensure Financial Fair Play (FFP) is adhered to.

A host of clubs have been investigated by UEFA in recent months after possible breaches of FFP regulations, including Liverpool, Inter and Roma.

Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain, meanwhile, were both fined and hit with sanctions by the governing body in May for breaches of the regulations.

Rummenigge believes fines and sanctions are not the right way forward, though, and says self-regulation between the clubs is the best way for FFP to be implemented.

"Basically I'm not a friend of penalties as there are many examples in politics that show sanctions are not getting the intended results," he told Goal.


"I'm a person who likes to convince. We've got a meeting at UEFA in Geneva on which the president of PSG and the chairman of Man City will participate, and also clubs will participate who have well implemented the guidelines of FFP.

"At the end of the day we need to create a community. We're all in the same boat and we need to row together for the benefit of football.

"I can remember a conversation with [UEFA president Michel] Platini and me with Roman Abramovich, the owner of Chelsea and he uttered very positive [words] about FFP. He had to spend hundreds of millions of euros every year to equalise the deficits of the club and to keep the balance sheets in good conditions.

"That cannot be in the interest of an investor.

"We heard the same from Silvio Berlusconi, owner of Milan, and Massimo Moratti, former owner of Inter.

"Actually I've heard nobody commenting negative about FFP.

"It's about us and especially about Platini to convince these persons to walk alongside to this path and not to try to go their own way."

Read more at <a class="postlink" href="http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/clubs-must-work-together-implement-ffp-rummenigge#UTqBFHIJDKiPyQqi.99" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/clubs-m ... KiPyQqi.99</a>

That's right Karl - remember how the Treaty of Versailles worked out.

Apparently the original draft of Karl's contribution was:-

"I don't want any moaning about FFP. We've clobbered City and PSG and though we don't want to clobber Liverpool we will if they don't buck their ideas ou, talk the talk but, most of all, walk the walk. So on Monday think deeply about FFP - that's why we're inviting you to what we call 'a concentration camp" - and agree with me - or the firing squad will come out. If you know what's good for you, you'll sing my song, and agree that what Bayern want is best for football. We managed to bribe Abramovitch into toeing the line when Platini and I got him on his own. Berlusconi and Moratti were pushovers, bloody skint Italians. We'll get Soriano and that Qatari bloke on their own, and when they realise they won't get out alive unless they forget that I'm actually just a dishonest business rival ans accept that Bayern know best, everything will be hunky dory. "

Quite so.
 
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Marvin said:
UEFA spokesman summarises today's discussions.........

During full and frank discussions.... potential enhancements to the system were also discussed with the debate covering such diverse issues as owners' investment, club debt, ossification, the fair value of related-party transactions, differing financial and legal circumstances in different countries and the perceived advantage of clubs not in European competition the previous season
What's ossification? Know what it is in medical terms, not come across it anywhere else

To stop developing or progressing.
Sounds about right,Marv.
 
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RMC in France posted this (roughly translated) about PSG chief Nasser Al-Khelaïfi at the FFP meeting defending his club's spending:

"For more than fifteen minutes, he defended his club with with strength and force, according to a source close to UEFA. He was very convincing. The exchange was very tense with Rummenigge. But the duo of Nasser and Jean Claude Blanc (Deputy Chairman of the PSG) were very relevant."

Rummenigge is basically the leading fanatic in favour of FFP, not Platini. A man with only Bayern Munich's interests at heart.
 
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They are shitting it and are now trying to make some sort of peace just in case they lose the court case or PSG and ourselves kick off big time. I say show the bastards no mercy or leeway and make them squirm!
 
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I know some nice Germans at work but f me but do Germans and positions of power spell disaster.
 

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