City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Yesterday's meeting was largely an irrelevance: lots of talking, no decisions taken, nothing changed but massive posturing. The presence of Dupont hung over proceedings. Both sides still have to play their cards very close to their chest because they both have to take into account the consequences of an adverse result in court.

Rummenigge has to try and project an image other than the bigoted, ranting fanatic who plans to plant his jack boots all over the balls of anyone who shows signs of frustrating Bayern's plans; yesterday he was the statesman eschewing coercion in favour of the reason which had converted Abramovitch and filled everyone with whom he had discussed FFP with "positive" thoughts. Platini was the born leader who, now that FFP had saved football from the destruction threatened,might now be prepared to consider some fine tuning which might make fair play fairer by tackling the problem of debt, letting some owners spend a bit of their own money and so on. Might. This is to convince everyone that UEFA isn't really the poodle of a Munich paymaster and a group of Yankie carpetbaggers, but the dedicated guardians of European football. And Berlusconi was simply hawking his begging bowl round to trying to cadge a place in the CL even though his clapped out club can't qualify. After all, Arsenal are only just better. The court has to be convinced that these groups are genuinely trying to be fair to all in the interests of European football. Despite some fairly convincing recent evidence to the contrary.

Then there's City and PSG. Despite the covert war they have waged against FFP for as long as anyone can remember, they daren't get involved in legal action and they have to operate within UEFA if Dupont loses. They can't come straight out and say that FFP is the typical bent product of an arrogant German who thinks he's in the ascendant and a French appeaser with a dodgy, trembly pair of knees and should be consigned to the dustbin. So City come up with a ludicrous scheme to extend the break even period beyond the horizon. "Well, Michel, we don't think FFP is quite the load of bollocks everyone else does..."

The decision will be made in court, and yesterday was simply jostling for position.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

I think the 10 year monitoring period is a clever tactic because

A) It extends the period for City to achieve true, commercial comfort.

B) Allows for other clubs to follow City making us pro-competition and anti-ossification

C) Negates the advantages that the current commercially big clubs have

D) Raises the stakes for UEFA because

i City can now justifiably claim to be playing the FFP game.
ii If they deny the request then the only argument is that FFP *IS* designed to maintain a status quo
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

The cookie monster said:
Shirley said:
stony said:
Why do City want the monitoring period extended if we're going to be ok with this years figures ?


Is there any possibility we are not going to be ok with this years figures or is it certain we will pass?
We were told last year by many posters we would pass & piss it & how did that end up?
Do you ever, EVER, post anything that's constructive and adds to the debate rather than being sneering and sarcastic? Compared to you, Victor Meldrew looks like Ken Dodd.

I said we would fail but would be able to use Annex XI to scrape through by the skin of our teeth. Had UEFA not changed the rules on that after it was too late to do anything about it, we might well have done.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

A new, weighty doc about UEFA and the EU has landed


<a class="postlink" href="http://ec.europa.eu/sport/news/2014/docs/uefa2014_en.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://ec.europa.eu/sport/news/2014/doc ... 014_en.pdf</a>

FFP mentioned here and it says that FFP has to be legal under competition laws doesnt it?


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Re: City & FFP (continued)

I'd guess that City suggested the extended monitoring period because:

a) It vindicates the owners and gets UEFA to effectively admit they made a mistake on the principle of owner investment.
b) It's sensible generally.
c) It encourages other owners or potential owners to invest in clubs, which could diminish the power of the old G-14 cartel.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Prestwich_Blue said:
The cookie monster said:
Shirley said:
Is there any possibility we are not going to be ok with this years figures or is it certain we will pass?
We were told last year by many posters we would pass & piss it & how did that end up?
Do you ever, EVER, post anything that's constructive and adds to the debate rather than being sneering and sarcastic? Compared to you, Victor Meldrew looks like Ken Dodd.

I said we would fail but would be able to use Annex XI to scrape through by the skin of our teeth. Had UEFA not changed the rules on that after it was too late to do anything about it, we might well have done.
I just remember you and a few others absolutlely giving dogs abuse to anyone outside of city who said we would fail
In fact they came on here defended themselves for the articles they wrote & got further abuse, and if anyones fuckin miserable on here its you......
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

tariq panja ‏@tariqpanja 40 seconds ago
UEFA issue statement announcing `landmark' cooperation agreement with European Commission... Good Luck with that FFP EU legal challenge

What does this mean? :|
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

LoveCity said:
tariq panja ‏@tariqpanja 40 seconds ago
UEFA issue statement announcing `landmark' cooperation agreement with European Commission... Good Luck with that FFP EU legal challenge

What does this mean? :|
Its means corruption is still very much rife within uefa..Amazing what a few brown envelopes can get you!
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

LoveCity said:
tariq panja ‏@tariqpanja 40 seconds ago
UEFA issue statement announcing `landmark' cooperation agreement with European Commission... Good Luck with that FFP EU legal challenge

What does this mean? :|

This is the press release from UEFA:

UEFA secures landmark formal cooperation agreement with European Commission
049 - Arrangement for Cooperation marks historic achievement in UEFA-EU relations
Published: Tuesday 14 October 2014, 17.00CET

UEFA and the European Commission have today signed a historic agreement between the two organisations, marking a momentous milestone in relations between the European bodies. UEFA President Michel Platini, European Commission President José Manuel Barroso and European Commissioner responsible for sport Androulla Vassiliou met this afternoon at the Commission’s headquarters in Brussels to launch the Arrangement for Cooperation which sets out the basis for a formal UEFA-EC partnership.

The Arrangement for Cooperation comes as UEFA celebrates its 60th anniversary. It cements the organisations’ joint commitment to structured cooperation in key policy areas and underlines UEFA’s strong desire to continue working with the Commission and other national and European public bodies. UEFA is pleased that the Commission shares its vision for the future of European football and fully supports its major initiatives, including the implementation of Financial Fair Play.

UEFA President Michel Platini said: “We have come a long way in our relationship with the European Commission and this Arrangement for Cooperation is proof that our bond is stronger than ever. With the increased support of the European Commission, we will intensify our fight to safeguard the ethics of sport and to promote good governance. By working together, we will make sure football can overcome the many challenges it faces, whether it be discrimination, match-fixing, third party player ownership or violence. UEFA is also pleased to have the commitment of the European Commission to cooperate in the promotion of grassroots football and to continue to support the implementation of the Financial Fair Play process, which will ensure football can grow and prosper in years to come. I am very proud of this Arrangement for Cooperation and believe that it comes at a crucial time for European Football."

Androulla Vassiliou, the European Commissioner responsible for sport, said: "This agreement is a significant step forward in our cooperation with UEFA, which is an important partner for the European Commission in its dialogue with the world of sport. I am pleased that, over the course of my mandate, the Commission has strengthened its ties with UEFA, working closely on a wide range of issues affecting football. Our goal has always been to maintain stability in the world of professional sport, appreciating its specificity while fully respecting EU law. We are also committed to maximising the impact that sport can have on society as a catalyst for social change in areas such as improving health and gender equality. We have worked well with UEFA in the past on these issues and this agreement ensures that our close collaboration will continue."

The Arrangement for Cooperation commits the two organisations to regular bilateral meetings and includes a target of holding senior level meetings at least once a year. In order to further promote the social role of sport, and in particular in relation to health and physical activity, the agreement also envisages collaboration between the European Commission and UEFA in the context of the planned European Week of Sport.

See here for the full text of the Arrangement for Cooperation between the European Commission and UEFA: <a class="postlink" href="http://uefa.to/1u0l8C9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://uefa.to/1u0l8C9</a>
 

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