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Re: City & FFP (continued)
Pretty well covers your posts (well absurd would).Falastur said:obsurd.
Pretty well covers your posts (well absurd would).Falastur said:obsurd.
Mate, if you were on your arse and a friend loaned you the money to renovate your crumbling house, by your logic you'd start 'lording' it over him with exaggerated beliefs. Why would you repay your friends kindness by taking liberties like that?Falastur said:Dribble said:No one said there was an obligation for Real to support us because SM heads the company who are providing the support to renovate the Bernabeu. As someone said before, because of SM's involvement in that company, Real will be less than likely to rock the boat as you don't bite the hand that feeds you.Falastur said:I just don't see Real being bribed into becoming our friends. As one of the supposed cartel, they should be doing everything they can to kick us out of Europe permanently, and it's not like they need to accept Mansour's offer - he might be offering more than anyone else, but at the end of the day it's Real Madrid and if they asked the King of Spain and the Prime Minister to help them out then I'm sure a flood of offers in the hundreds of millions would come rushing in. And then there's Platini, who is desperate to do anything he can to destroy City. Can you honestly not see his eyes lighting up like a bonfire at the opportunity to accuse us of corruption and bribery if part of the deal were actually to buy Real's silence? I just can't see it working out. I can't believe that Mansour would be so stupid as to open himself up to charges of buying off rivals.
The surprise aimed at your post is because of your suggestion that because SM heads the company providing the service to Real, that this shows where his true ambitions and intentions lies which seems frankly obsurd.
Also as pointed out, Real is owned by the fans which immediately kicks your theory into touch.
All I was saying is that I believe there's more chance that Real would interpret SM's investment in their stadium as an encouragement to lord it over us with exaggerated beliefs than they are to take it as an encouragement to suddenly become very timid around us lest they rock the boat. I mean, they've already signed the contract giving them the money - if they did now start a series of vociferous attacks on us and SM were to try to terminate the agreement as a punishment, then he (SM) would be inundated with negative press for making so obviously biased an action, and Real would be laughing as they collected the monolithic early termination clause payout they will certainly have inserted, allowing them effectively collect two stadium naming payments at once as soon as they agree a deal with a new company.
Basically I just can't buy this story that Real will actually believe they need to be nice to us in order to keep SM happy. They will absolutely believe that they are bigger than him and that they can dictate terms to him rather than the other way around.
You demonstrate a very simplistic view of human behaviour. You assume that alliances are fixed. They are not. People's allegiances shift according to which way the wind is blowing. They always have and they always will.Falastur said:Dribble said:No one said there was an obligation for Real to support us because SM heads the company who are providing the support to renovate the Bernabeu. As someone said before, because of SM's involvement in that company, Real will be less than likely to rock the boat as you don't bite the hand that feeds you.Falastur said:I just don't see Real being bribed into becoming our friends. As one of the supposed cartel, they should be doing everything they can to kick us out of Europe permanently, and it's not like they need to accept Mansour's offer - he might be offering more than anyone else, but at the end of the day it's Real Madrid and if they asked the King of Spain and the Prime Minister to help them out then I'm sure a flood of offers in the hundreds of millions would come rushing in. And then there's Platini, who is desperate to do anything he can to destroy City. Can you honestly not see his eyes lighting up like a bonfire at the opportunity to accuse us of corruption and bribery if part of the deal were actually to buy Real's silence? I just can't see it working out. I can't believe that Mansour would be so stupid as to open himself up to charges of buying off rivals.
The surprise aimed at your post is because of your suggestion that because SM heads the company providing the service to Real, that this shows where his true ambitions and intentions lies which seems frankly obsurd.
Also as pointed out, Real is owned by the fans which immediately kicks your theory into touch.
All I was saying is that I believe there's more chance that Real would interpret SM's investment in their stadium as an encouragement to lord it over us with exaggerated beliefs than they are to take it as an encouragement to suddenly become very timid around us lest they rock the boat. I mean, they've already signed the contract giving them the money - if they did now start a series of vociferous attacks on us and SM were to try to terminate the agreement as a punishment, then he (SM) would be inundated with negative press for making so obviously biased an action, and Real would be laughing as they collected the monolithic early termination clause payout they will certainly have inserted, allowing them effectively collect two stadium naming payments at once as soon as they agree a deal with a new company.
Basically I just can't buy this story that Real will actually believe they need to be nice to us in order to keep SM happy. They will absolutely believe that they are bigger than him and that they can dictate terms to him rather than the other way around.
They have probably asked for help from the hierarchy but will have been turned down.Real might be the royal club but spunking 350mil which the government haven't got would get people rioting in Spain.Tension is very high on the streets.A loan from outside was probably the only option.imo.Falastur said:Dribble said:Say what?Falastur said:Agreed. I simply can't see Real believing that they are in any way obliged to support us or even like us a bit more because of this deal. If anything they will trumpet it as the first sign that Mansour is realising which club he really wants to back.
I just don't see Real being bribed into becoming our friends. As one of the supposed cartel, they should be doing everything they can to kick us out of Europe permanently, and it's not like they need to accept Mansour's offer - he might be offering more than anyone else, but at the end of the day it's Real Madrid and if they asked the King of Spain and the Prime Minister to help them out then I'm sure a flood of offers in the hundreds of millions would come rushing in. And then there's Platini, who is desperate to do anything he can to destroy City. Can you honestly not see his eyes lighting up like a bonfire at the opportunity to accuse us of corruption and bribery if part of the deal were actually to buy Real's silence? I just can't see it working out. I can't believe that Mansour would be so stupid as to open himself up to charges of buying off rivals.
Falastur said:Dribble said:Say what?Falastur said:Agreed. I simply can't see Real believing that they are in any way obliged to support us or even like us a bit more because of this deal. If anything they will trumpet it as the first sign that Mansour is realising which club he really wants to back.
I just don't see Real being bribed into becoming our friends. As one of the supposed cartel, they should be doing everything they can to kick us out of Europe permanently, and it's not like they need to accept Mansour's offer - he might be offering more than anyone else, but at the end of the day it's Real Madrid and if they asked the King of Spain and the Prime Minister to help them out then I'm sure a flood of offers in the hundreds of millions would come rushing in. And then there's Platini, who is desperate to do anything he can to destroy City. Can you honestly not see his eyes lighting up like a bonfire at the opportunity to accuse us of corruption and bribery if part of the deal were actually to buy Real's silence? I just can't see it working out. I can't believe that Mansour would be so stupid as to open himself up to charges of buying off rivals.
S04 said:This deal between IPC/Cepsa and Real Madrid is built upon the friendship between Sheikh Mansour and Florentino Perez.. It got nothing to do with City ffs!
S04 said:This deal between IPC/Cepsa and Real Madrid is built upon the friendship between Sheikh Mansour and Florentino Perez.. It got nothing to do with City ffs!
Hence the Barca/Qatar link.aguero93:20 said:Falastur said:Dribble said:Say what?
I just don't see Real being bribed into becoming our friends. As one of the supposed cartel, they should be doing everything they can to kick us out of Europe permanently, and it's not like they need to accept Mansour's offer - he might be offering more than anyone else, but at the end of the day it's Real Madrid and if they asked the King of Spain and the Prime Minister to help them out then I'm sure a flood of offers in the hundreds of millions would come rushing in. And then there's Platini, who is desperate to do anything he can to destroy City. Can you honestly not see his eyes lighting up like a bonfire at the opportunity to accuse us of corruption and bribery if part of the deal were actually to buy Real's silence? I just can't see it working out. I can't believe that Mansour would be so stupid as to open himself up to charges of buying off rivals.
Don't really want to be drawn into this discussion but with the current investigation of illegal state aid to Spanish clubs by the EU I don't think that was an option open to Real, just as it wasn't for Barca and Valencia, hence all 3 clubs having to locate external financing/owner investment.