City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Falastur said:
Dribble said:
Falastur said:
I just don't see Real being bribed into becoming our friends. As one of the supposed cartel, they should be doing everything they can to kick us out of Europe permanently, and it's not like they need to accept Mansour's offer - he might be offering more than anyone else, but at the end of the day it's Real Madrid and if they asked the King of Spain and the Prime Minister to help them out then I'm sure a flood of offers in the hundreds of millions would come rushing in. And then there's Platini, who is desperate to do anything he can to destroy City. Can you honestly not see his eyes lighting up like a bonfire at the opportunity to accuse us of corruption and bribery if part of the deal were actually to buy Real's silence? I just can't see it working out. I can't believe that Mansour would be so stupid as to open himself up to charges of buying off rivals.
No one said there was an obligation for Real to support us because SM heads the company who are providing the support to renovate the Bernabeu. As someone said before, because of SM's involvement in that company, Real will be less than likely to rock the boat as you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

The surprise aimed at your post is because of your suggestion that because SM heads the company providing the service to Real, that this shows where his true ambitions and intentions lies which seems frankly obsurd.

Also as pointed out, Real is owned by the fans which immediately kicks your theory into touch.

All I was saying is that I believe there's more chance that Real would interpret SM's investment in their stadium as an encouragement to lord it over us with exaggerated beliefs than they are to take it as an encouragement to suddenly become very timid around us lest they rock the boat. I mean, they've already signed the contract giving them the money - if they did now start a series of vociferous attacks on us and SM were to try to terminate the agreement as a punishment, then he (SM) would be inundated with negative press for making so obviously biased an action, and Real would be laughing as they collected the monolithic early termination clause payout they will certainly have inserted, allowing them effectively collect two stadium naming payments at once as soon as they agree a deal with a new company.

Basically I just can't buy this story that Real will actually believe they need to be nice to us in order to keep SM happy. They will absolutely believe that they are bigger than him and that they can dictate terms to him rather than the other way around.
Mate, if you were on your arse and a friend loaned you the money to renovate your crumbling house, by your logic you'd start 'lording' it over him with exaggerated beliefs. Why would you repay your friends kindness by taking liberties like that?

You also state that SM would be inundated with negative press if he tried to terminate any agreements early and be subject to monolithic terrmination clauses. I can't think of anyone who would blame SM if he did pull his support if Real began a series of 'vociferous attacks' because most people I know would do the same if that situation arose and most people wouldn't blame them for doing so either.

No offence mate, but I think your statement says more about your mindset than it does Real's.

Note to self: Never do Falastur a favour.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Falastur said:
Dribble said:
Falastur said:
I just don't see Real being bribed into becoming our friends. As one of the supposed cartel, they should be doing everything they can to kick us out of Europe permanently, and it's not like they need to accept Mansour's offer - he might be offering more than anyone else, but at the end of the day it's Real Madrid and if they asked the King of Spain and the Prime Minister to help them out then I'm sure a flood of offers in the hundreds of millions would come rushing in. And then there's Platini, who is desperate to do anything he can to destroy City. Can you honestly not see his eyes lighting up like a bonfire at the opportunity to accuse us of corruption and bribery if part of the deal were actually to buy Real's silence? I just can't see it working out. I can't believe that Mansour would be so stupid as to open himself up to charges of buying off rivals.
No one said there was an obligation for Real to support us because SM heads the company who are providing the support to renovate the Bernabeu. As someone said before, because of SM's involvement in that company, Real will be less than likely to rock the boat as you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

The surprise aimed at your post is because of your suggestion that because SM heads the company providing the service to Real, that this shows where his true ambitions and intentions lies which seems frankly obsurd.

Also as pointed out, Real is owned by the fans which immediately kicks your theory into touch.

All I was saying is that I believe there's more chance that Real would interpret SM's investment in their stadium as an encouragement to lord it over us with exaggerated beliefs than they are to take it as an encouragement to suddenly become very timid around us lest they rock the boat. I mean, they've already signed the contract giving them the money - if they did now start a series of vociferous attacks on us and SM were to try to terminate the agreement as a punishment, then he (SM) would be inundated with negative press for making so obviously biased an action, and Real would be laughing as they collected the monolithic early termination clause payout they will certainly have inserted, allowing them effectively collect two stadium naming payments at once as soon as they agree a deal with a new company.

Basically I just can't buy this story that Real will actually believe they need to be nice to us in order to keep SM happy. They will absolutely believe that they are bigger than him and that they can dictate terms to him rather than the other way around.
You demonstrate a very simplistic view of human behaviour. You assume that alliances are fixed. They are not. People's allegiances shift according to which way the wind is blowing. They always have and they always will.

Anyone with any sense can see that we are the winning horse that they need to back, not AC Milan or Liverpool (for example) any more. The cartel, as you describe it, is about as rock solid as the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

It's pretty well-established in the Spanish press that there's an alliance of sorts between City and Real, the victims of which are Barca. Well before this Sheik/Perez deal.

As Real hate Barca anyway, and Soriano and Begiristain hate the current regime because of all the bad business that went on there, it's a bit of a no-brainer.

Barca are into all sorts of trouble with authorities right now, over tax, Neymar, transfers etc etc. If UEFA suddenly decides to act against massive debt they are right in the cart.

Shame.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Falastur said:
Dribble said:
Falastur said:
Agreed. I simply can't see Real believing that they are in any way obliged to support us or even like us a bit more because of this deal. If anything they will trumpet it as the first sign that Mansour is realising which club he really wants to back.
Say what?

I just don't see Real being bribed into becoming our friends. As one of the supposed cartel, they should be doing everything they can to kick us out of Europe permanently, and it's not like they need to accept Mansour's offer - he might be offering more than anyone else, but at the end of the day it's Real Madrid and if they asked the King of Spain and the Prime Minister to help them out then I'm sure a flood of offers in the hundreds of millions would come rushing in. And then there's Platini, who is desperate to do anything he can to destroy City. Can you honestly not see his eyes lighting up like a bonfire at the opportunity to accuse us of corruption and bribery if part of the deal were actually to buy Real's silence? I just can't see it working out. I can't believe that Mansour would be so stupid as to open himself up to charges of buying off rivals.
They have probably asked for help from the hierarchy but will have been turned down.Real might be the royal club but spunking 350mil which the government haven't got would get people rioting in Spain.Tension is very high on the streets.A loan from outside was probably the only option.imo.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Falastur said:
Dribble said:
Falastur said:
Agreed. I simply can't see Real believing that they are in any way obliged to support us or even like us a bit more because of this deal. If anything they will trumpet it as the first sign that Mansour is realising which club he really wants to back.
Say what?

I just don't see Real being bribed into becoming our friends. As one of the supposed cartel, they should be doing everything they can to kick us out of Europe permanently, and it's not like they need to accept Mansour's offer - he might be offering more than anyone else, but at the end of the day it's Real Madrid and if they asked the King of Spain and the Prime Minister to help them out then I'm sure a flood of offers in the hundreds of millions would come rushing in. And then there's Platini, who is desperate to do anything he can to destroy City. Can you honestly not see his eyes lighting up like a bonfire at the opportunity to accuse us of corruption and bribery if part of the deal were actually to buy Real's silence? I just can't see it working out. I can't believe that Mansour would be so stupid as to open himself up to charges of buying off rivals.

Don't really want to be drawn into this discussion but with the current investigation of illegal state aid to Spanish clubs by the EU I don't think that was an option open to Real, just as it wasn't for Barca and Valencia, hence all 3 clubs having to locate external financing/owner investment.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

This deal between IPC/Cepsa and Real Madrid is built upon the friendship between Sheikh Mansour and Florentino Perez.. It got nothing to do with City ffs!
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

S04 said:
This deal between IPC/Cepsa and Real Madrid is built upon the friendship between Sheikh Mansour and Florentino Perez.. It got nothing to do with City ffs!

Honest, m'lud
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

S04 said:
This deal between IPC/Cepsa and Real Madrid is built upon the friendship between Sheikh Mansour and Florentino Perez.. It got nothing to do with City ffs!

I would suggest that if Person A and Person B enter into a major deal between respective business interests of theirs based on a mutual friendship, Person B would then be rather reluctant to act in a way that fucks over Business C when Business C is a very high-profile concern owned by Person A (such ownership, by extension, reflecting on the ruling family and government of which Person A is a part).

THIS is why it's a potentially rather important development for MCFC even though we have no direct involvement in the matter.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

aguero93:20 said:
Falastur said:
Dribble said:
Say what?

I just don't see Real being bribed into becoming our friends. As one of the supposed cartel, they should be doing everything they can to kick us out of Europe permanently, and it's not like they need to accept Mansour's offer - he might be offering more than anyone else, but at the end of the day it's Real Madrid and if they asked the King of Spain and the Prime Minister to help them out then I'm sure a flood of offers in the hundreds of millions would come rushing in. And then there's Platini, who is desperate to do anything he can to destroy City. Can you honestly not see his eyes lighting up like a bonfire at the opportunity to accuse us of corruption and bribery if part of the deal were actually to buy Real's silence? I just can't see it working out. I can't believe that Mansour would be so stupid as to open himself up to charges of buying off rivals.

Don't really want to be drawn into this discussion but with the current investigation of illegal state aid to Spanish clubs by the EU I don't think that was an option open to Real, just as it wasn't for Barca and Valencia, hence all 3 clubs having to locate external financing/owner investment.
Hence the Barca/Qatar link.

The sands are shifting in the world of football and anyone with sense can see there ’s nothing to be gained in the long-term by constantly carping on about how unfair it is that you have to compete with someone who has more money than you.

The G14 have made their play with FFP and it was a one trick pony which only stalled our progress temporarily. They jizzed all they had in one hit and all but a few splashes touched us. Their swollen scrotums have now shrivelled and their ball bags are dry and I can't see what else they have left to come at us with. (Pardon the pun)

The next logical step? If you can't beat em, join em........ City/Real - PSG/Barca. As with every walk of life, money talks which leaves former allies like Burlusconi declaring that UEFA should hand out wild card places in the CL to reflect clubs like Milan, Inter and ManUre's past status and former glories and allow them to compete on the biggest European stage.

What have Barca and Real done? They're in the lifeboat where life looks a lot more chushty and at most they have thrown their fellow G14 comrades an inflated rubber ring and pointed them in the direction of the Middle East.

Its a cruel world sometimes.
 

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