City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[I'm no cynic but...]

What do you mean? You mean restrictions like the penalties imposed on us by uefa for breaching FFP? No but we have the huge general FFP restrictions and that will continue for the forseable future. Madrid, United and barça will be able to outspend us every season for at least the next 10 years I would imagine. Unless FFP gets scrapped.

That's my biggest fear, we're not exactly buying bargain basement players but neither are we buying the top players.
FFP has already had a huge effect on our club, Utd will continue spending and they'll eventually get it right.
All the talk about how we were going to get round FFP was just that, talk.
Due to FFP the future doesn't look too rosey......or am i just being too negative?

City's revenue will equal that of Utd's on the next accounts.

It may do, or it may not, but until we become permanently entrenched in the top three, our marketing boys are going to have to work that bit harder than those in the established elite. It may be a long time coming before football followers the world around start speaking of us in the same way as Real,Barca, Bayern or, dare I say it, the rags. The last thing we need at this stage of our development is for the squad and it's Management to allow the progress of the last few years to slip away. It took a hell of a lot of money to get us this far and we can't afford to stand still otherwise we will face the prospect of always being on the fringes in the hope that the academy can produce a steady stream of kids, of which many will be sold off and we become a marketing company rather than a sporting icon.

 

[SilverFox2]

Not true! If we pass this time around, which we should I think the only restriction relates to increasing the wage bill. The wage bill can easily be sorted as we tend to pay a lower basic but have high bonuses, which aren't included.

Someone with a deeper knowledge than me will clarify.

We will pass this time round but the exemption for the performance related element of remuneration only applies to the specific FFP sanction on increasing wages. All wages, however they're paid, will come into the overall FFP calculation.

Yes, what we have done is to pay lower salaries and higher bonuses based on success. So this gives us breathing space. For example, it takes future potential bonuses out of the 2014 Profit and Loss Account and leaves them simply noted as a contingent liability (something that may have to be paid but has not yet crystallised). The contingent liability is noted as being over £100M. This includes additional transfer fees that may become payable as well as player bonuses. In a later year these bonuses may become payable and at that time they will be included in our Profit and Loss Account. So they will not be ignored altogether but they present us with a timing advantage.

So could there be a reason for the ADUG team to be financially pleased if our team takes this year off regarding trophies etc. (as seems like;y) ?

 

[Chippy_boy]

We dont have any restrictions this coming summer though do we??

What do you mean? You mean restrictions like the penalties imposed on us by uefa for breaching FFP? No but we have the huge general FFP restrictions and that will continue for the forseable future. Madrid, United and barça will be able to outspend us every season for at least the next 10 years I would imagine. Unless FFP gets scrapped.

Not true! If we pass this time around, which we should I think the only restriction relates to increasing the wage bill. The wage bill can easily be sorted as we tend to pay a lower basic but have high bonuses, which aren't included.

Someone with a deeper knowledge than me will clarify.

From another thread:

Are we free from spending restrictions this summer?

No.

UEFA Settlement: "Manchester City agrees to significantly limit spending in the transfer market for seasons 2014/2015 and 2015/2016."

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

What do you mean? You mean restrictions like the penalties imposed on us by uefa for breaching FFP? No but we have the huge general FFP restrictions and that will continue for the forseable future. Madrid, United and barça will be able to outspend us every season for at least the next 10 years I would imagine. Unless FFP gets scrapped.

Not true! If we pass this time around, which we should I think the only restriction relates to increasing the wage bill. The wage bill can easily be sorted as we tend to pay a lower basic but have high bonuses, which aren't included.

Someone with a deeper knowledge than me will clarify.

From another thread:

Are we free from spending restrictions this summer?

No.

UEFA Settlement: "Manchester City agrees to significantly limit spending in the transfer market for seasons 2014/2015 and 2015/2016."

And not only that but City will, like the rest, have to fall into the same rules as every other club, into perpetuity. There will be no exemptions from this, and if we are to splash out £200m on Messi then we will have to generate that money first. It will be a tall order.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Khaldoon described FFP as a "pinch" which would have no lasting effect on the progress of the club. To doubters i would simply ask what promises has the Sheikh or Khaldoon made since they day they bought City, which they have not kept. Time and time again they have proved the happy clappers right: time and time again they have made the preachers of doom and gloom and hell fire (and brimstone). In 2008 English football seemed locked forever in the icy grip of the Big Four. That clique has been destroyed and is hoping UEFA can restore its fortunes. How many City fans would have believed in 2008 that seven years later that City would have won two PL titles as well as every other domestic trophy and that we would have enjoyed an unbroken run of 4 seasons in the champions league. Now it's a disgrace because we can't beat possibly the best club side of all time in the last 16!!! We're a disgrace because we don't get to the semi final! How underwhelming to be only the most successful English club domestically over the last 5 years!

Do you remember the days when City were a club worth £80 million, but with debts of £90 million? The days when "no-one will ever sign for a club like City with no istry and tradition", when, a little later, we could buy players, but team spirit and playing for the shirt were things you couldn't buy? The days when there was a magic bout the United badge which gave them unique match winning virtues and brought last minute goals when all seemed lost? The day when Edin and Sergio won the title with a goal each in stoppage time. Now we're actually a disgrace because we can't buy Messi, beat Barcelona and win the CL! Football knows that nothing is impossible for City, and that it is a near certainty that City will be champions of Europe before Khaldoon sits down in 6 years to honour his promise to repeat the interview he gave after winning the title last May.

These have been spectacular years off the field. City's annual revenue has climbed to almost £350 million. What as it in 2008? This is the second highest in England, and the fifth highest in the world. Who would have believed that in 2008?! And it is growing. For all the moaning about our commercial department it has performed magnificently, despite working against the backdrop of the longest recession in history. How much more would our deals be worth in more prosperous times? Yet we have more partners than any other club in England and the number is growing. Our commercial revenue will grow too and maybe at the dizzying levels seen since 2008. Especially as the sponsorship oh the CAF and other campus buildings come in. But if the recession has held back one development more than any other, it is the collar site, of which the revenue generation capabilities are truly enormous. FFP is no more than a pinch, to be taken in our stride as City advance inexorably on the summit of the game.

 

[ped]

Khaldoon described FFP as a "pinch" which would have no lasting effect on the progress of the club. To doubters i would simply ask what promises has the Sheikh or Khaldoon made since they day they bought City, which they have not kept. Time and time again they have proved the happy clappers right: time and time again they have made the preachers of doom and gloom and hell fire (and brimstone). In 2008 English football seemed locked forever in the icy grip of the Big Four. That clique has been destroyed and is hoping UEFA can restore its fortunes. How many City fans would have believed in 2008 that seven years later that City would have won two PL titles as well as every other domestic trophy and that we would have enjoyed an unbroken run of 4 seasons in the champions league. Now it's a disgrace because we can't beat possibly the best club side of all time in the last 16!!! We're a disgrace because we don't get to the semi final! How underwhelming to be only the most successful English club domestically over the last 5 years!

Do you remember the days when City were a club worth £80 million, but with debts of £90 million? The days when "no-one will ever sign for a club like City with no istry and tradition", when, a little later, we could buy players, but team spirit and playing for the shirt were things you couldn't buy? The days when there was a magic bout the United badge which gave them unique match winning virtues and brought last minute goals when all seemed lost? The day when Edin and Sergio won the title with a goal each in stoppage time. Now we're actually a disgrace because we can't buy Messi, beat Barcelona and win the CL! Football knows that nothing is impossible for City, and that it is a near certainty that City will be champions of Europe before Khaldoon sits down in 6 years to honour his promise to repeat the interview he gave after winning the title last May.

These have been spectacular years off the field. City's annual revenue has climbed to almost £350 million. What as it in 2008? This is the second highest in England, and the fifth highest in the world. Who would have believed that in 2008?! And it is growing. For all the moaning about our commercial department it has performed magnificently, despite working against the backdrop of the longest recession in history. How much more would our deals be worth in more prosperous times? Yet we have more partners than any other club in England and the number is growing. Our commercial revenue will grow too and maybe at the dizzying levels seen since 2008. Especially as the sponsorship oh the CAF and other campus buildings come in. But if the recession has held back one development more than any other, it is the collar site, of which the revenue generation capabilities are truly enormous. FFP is no more than a pinch, to be taken in our stride as City advance inexorably on the summit of the game.

I admire your enthusiasm blue since hyde rd,and I agree with everthing you say exept now is not the time,now is the time for sticking the boot in because,2 wins in 10 matches,from this set of players is bang out of order , something stinks,and it needs sorting now

 

[Chippy_boy]

I admire your enthusiasm blue since hyde rd,and I agree with everthing you say exept now is not the time,now is the time for sticking the boot in because,2 wins in 10 matches,from this set of players is bang out of order , something stinks,and it needs sorting now

Wow, is that what it is? That must be the worst run we've been on in 3 or 4 years??!

 

[HolisticJim]

I admire your enthusiasm blue since hyde rd,and I agree with everthing you say exept now is not the time,now is the time for sticking the boot in because,2 wins in 10 matches,from this set of players is bang out of order , something stinks,and it needs sorting now

Wow, is that what it is? That must be the worst run we've been on in 3 or 4 years??!

Ouch! That truly is shocking!!!

 

[Marvin]

Khaldoon described FFP as a "pinch" which would have no lasting effect on the progress of the club. To doubters i would simply ask what promises has the Sheikh or Khaldoon made since they day they bought City, which they have not kept. Time and time again they have proved the happy clappers right: time and time again they have made the preachers of doom and gloom and hell fire (and brimstone). In 2008 English football seemed locked forever in the icy grip of the Big Four. That clique has been destroyed and is hoping UEFA can restore its fortunes. How many City fans would have believed in 2008 that seven years later that City would have won two PL titles as well as every other domestic trophy and that we would have enjoyed an unbroken run of 4 seasons in the champions league. Now it's a disgrace because we can't beat possibly the best club side of all time in the last 16!!! We're a disgrace because we don't get to the semi final! How underwhelming to be only the most successful English club domestically over the last 5 years!

Do you remember the days when City were a club worth £80 million, but with debts of £90 million? The days when "no-one will ever sign for a club like City with no istry and tradition", when, a little later, we could buy players, but team spirit and playing for the shirt were things you couldn't buy? The days when there was a magic bout the United badge which gave them unique match winning virtues and brought last minute goals when all seemed lost? The day when Edin and Sergio won the title with a goal each in stoppage time. Now we're actually a disgrace because we can't buy Messi, beat Barcelona and win the CL! Football knows that nothing is impossible for City, and that it is a near certainty that City will be champions of Europe before Khaldoon sits down in 6 years to honour his promise to repeat the interview he gave after winning the title last May.

These have been spectacular years off the field. City's annual revenue has climbed to almost £350 million. What as it in 2008? This is the second highest in England, and the fifth highest in the world. Who would have believed that in 2008?! And it is growing. For all the moaning about our commercial department it has performed magnificently, despite working against the backdrop of the longest recession in history. How much more would our deals be worth in more prosperous times? Yet we have more partners than any other club in England and the number is growing. Our commercial revenue will grow too and maybe at the dizzying levels seen since 2008. Especially as the sponsorship oh the CAF and other campus buildings come in. But if the recession has held back one development more than any other, it is the collar site, of which the revenue generation capabilities are truly enormous. FFP is no more than a pinch, to be taken in our stride as City advance inexorably on the summit of the game.

I admire your enthusiasm blue since hyde rd,and I agree with everthing you say exept now is not the time,now is the time for sticking the boot in because,2 wins in 10 matches,from this set of players is bang out of order , something stinks,and it needs sorting now

This is the financial topic.

The reason(s) for City's current malaise have nothing to do with money or FFO as it's technically the best squad in the Premiershp

 

[onceabluealways]

Khaldoon described FFP as a "pinch" which would have no lasting effect on the progress of the club. To doubters i would simply ask what promises has the Sheikh or Khaldoon made since they day they bought City, which they have not kept. Time and time again they have proved the happy clappers right: time and time again they have made the preachers of doom and gloom and hell fire (and brimstone). In 2008 English football seemed locked forever in the icy grip of the Big Four. That clique has been destroyed and is hoping UEFA can restore its fortunes. How many City fans would have believed in 2008 that seven years later that City would have won two PL titles as well as every other domestic trophy and that we would have enjoyed an unbroken run of 4 seasons in the champions league. Now it's a disgrace because we can't beat possibly the best club side of all time in the last 16!!! We're a disgrace because we don't get to the semi final! How underwhelming to be only the most successful English club domestically over the last 5 years!

Do you remember the days when City were a club worth £80 million, but with debts of £90 million? The days when "no-one will ever sign for a club like City with no istry and tradition", when, a little later, we could buy players, but team spirit and playing for the shirt were things you couldn't buy? The days when there was a magic bout the United badge which gave them unique match winning virtues and brought last minute goals when all seemed lost? The day when Edin and Sergio won the title with a goal each in stoppage time. Now we're actually a disgrace because we can't buy Messi, beat Barcelona and win the CL! Football knows that nothing is impossible for City, and that it is a near certainty that City will be champions of Europe before Khaldoon sits down in 6 years to honour his promise to repeat the interview he gave after winning the title last May.

These have been spectacular years off the field. City's annual revenue has climbed to almost £350 million. What as it in 2008? This is the second highest in England, and the fifth highest in the world. Who would have believed that in 2008?! And it is growing. For all the moaning about our commercial department it has performed magnificently, despite working against the backdrop of the longest recession in history. How much more would our deals be worth in more prosperous times? Yet we have more partners than any other club in England and the number is growing. Our commercial revenue will grow too and maybe at the dizzying levels seen since 2008. Especially as the sponsorship oh the CAF and other campus buildings come in. But if the recession has held back one development more than any other, it is the collar site, of which the revenue generation capabilities are truly enormous. FFP is no more than a pinch, to be taken in our stride as City advance inexorably on the summit of the game.

The owners have done wonders for this club. Their own target was to make us one of the top clubs in world football, we are number 5 in revenue in the world but are yet to look like top 10 in European competition.

The transfer strategy since 2011 as been awful and left us in the position of a team with an ageing squad needing numerous new players. If we had signed ONE real quality player each season then we would be a better team and have better squad.

With the money the board / manager has had to play with , even with FFP, they have not done a very good job.