City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[halfcenturyup]

Well it all seems to have calmed down in here. Thanks everyone for helping me through this. If I can summarise:

This has been going on for 4 years and we have never co-operated. It was pushed by Liverpool and United, with other clubs on the bandwagon now. There are a handful of actual offences some of which cover breaches of multiple rules in multiple years.

Some are: Mancini's contract, the DS emails (Etihad, Etisalat, ADTA, Aabar), image rights/assets disposal/ shared costs, non-compliance UEFA, non-compliance PL. Maybe one or two more.

All this bollocks about accounts being fraudulent is just that, bollocks, due to clumsy wording from PL. If they are really serious about that, they better be ready for a long, hard fight.

Rumours of an "informer" but means nothing without evidence. Shady informer vs outstanding businessmen. No contest.

My personal view:
Mancini's contract - before FFP, at worst may be rule violation, may be justification. Small issue.
DS emails - same as CAS + Aabar and ADTA. Club confident but may be surprise new emails. Better have stories straight and consistent.
Image rights etc - new charge. If it's about shared services in CFG, good business reasons.
Non-compliance UEFA - fair cop, but already punished.
Non-compliance PL - fair cop, fine.

All in all, very manageable. Certainly not enough to warrant relegation/ titles scrapped or even points deduction.

Unfavorable outcome at Committee, possibility of appeal to courts but need strong case.

I would suggest the club has this under control.

Personal view. May all be bollocks. Shoot it down :)

 

[Centurions]

Well it all seems to have calmed down in here. Thanks everyone for helping me through this. If I can summarise:

This has been going on for 4 years and we have never co-operated. It was pushed by Liverpool and United, with other clubs on the bandwagon now. There are a handful of actual offences some of which cover breaches of multiple rules in multiple years.

Some are: Mancini's contract, the DS emails (Etihad, Etisalat, ADTA, Aabar), image rights/assets disposal/ shared costs, non-compliance UEFA, non-compliance PL. Maybe one or two more.

All this bollocks about accounts being fraudulent is just that, bollocks, due to clumsy wording from PL. If they are really serious about that, they better be ready for a long, hard fight.

Rumours of an "informer" but means nothing without evidence. Shady informer vs outstanding businessmen. No contest.

My personal view:
Mancini's contract - before FFP, at worst may be rule violation, may be justification. Small issue.
DS emails - same as CAS + Aabar and ADTA. Club confident but may be surprise new emails. Better have stories straight and consistent.
Image rights etc - new charge. If it's about shared services in CFG, good business reasons.
Non-compliance UEFA - fair cop, but already punished.
Non-compliance PL - fair cop, fine.

All in all, very manageable. Certainly not enough to warrant relegation/ titles scrapped or even points deduction.

Unfavorable outcome at Committee, possibility of appeal to courts but need strong case.

I would suggest the club has this under control.

Personal view. May all be bollocks. Shoot it down :)

I don't know about 'never' co-operating (although I'm sure we said 'no chance' to some requests) but this is all based on the handful of hacked emails. There's no surprise waiting in the wings as there's no chance it wouldn't have already leaked or just been published by Der Spiegel.

Oh, and you're in the wrong thread :)

 

[halfcenturyup]

I don't know about 'never' co-operating (although I'm sure we said 'no chance' to some requests) but this is all based on the handful of hacked emails. There's no surprise waiting in the wings as there's no chance it wouldn't have already leaked or just been published by Der Spiegel.

Oh, and you're in the wrong thread :)

That must be why it all calmed down. Back to the other thread for more Pannick.

:)

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

The gravity of it has probably only really hit him once he arrived & witnessed it for himself...

I wonder what Pep really thinks about the state of this place. He was driven out of Barcelona by vicious politics within the club and at a national level with the Catalonia/Madrid bitterness. He didn't like the politics at Bayern either and cleared off to New York to play chess and chill-out for a year. He must be fed up with the PL politics and the state of the whole UK which is going down the pan. I think he will be off in the Summer personally whatever happens.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I wonder what Pep really thinks about the state of this place. He was driven out of Barcelona by vicious politics within the club and at a national level with the Catalonia/Madrid bitterness. He didn't like the politics at Bayern either and cleared off to New York to play chess and chill-out for a year. He must be fed up with the PL politics and the state of the whole UK which is going down the pan. I think he will be off in the Summer personally whatever happens.

I doubt he will leave until this is settled. Doesn't seem the type to leave friends in the lurch.

 

[dadnlad]

I wonder what Pep really thinks about the state of this place. He was driven out of Barcelona by vicious politics within the club and at a national level with the Catalonia/Madrid bitterness. He didn't like the politics at Bayern either and cleared off to New York to play chess and chill-out for a year. He must be fed up with the PL politics and the state of the whole UK which is going down the pan. I think he will be off in the Summer personally whatever happens.

thats exactly what they want

one more that i've thought of
if 8 years or so of accounts are wrong surely each year starts with figure from year before so if first one was loss of day 2million that will start the years after ?

 

[Dribble]

I wonder what Pep really thinks about the state of this place. He was driven out of Barcelona by vicious politics within the club and at a national level with the Catalonia/Madrid bitterness. He didn't like the politics at Bayern either and cleared off to New York to play chess and chill-out for a year. He must be fed up with the PL politics and the state of the whole UK which is going down the pan. I think he will be off in the Summer personally whatever happens.

I think the main difference is support. Pep has the full support of Sheikh Mansour, Khaldoon, Ferran & Txiki, whereby he was fighting Barca & Bayern on & off the pitch in Spain & Germany, not an outside party.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I think the main difference is support. Pep has the full support of Sheikh Mansour, Khaldoon, Ferran & Txiki, whereby he was fighting Barca & Bayern on & off the pitch in Spain & Germany, not an outside party.

I hope you are right but everyone has their limit. Who could blame him if he just decided to take another break? He doesn't have to work for money does he?

 

[jrb]

This non-cooperation bullshit.

Does anyone thing the PL and UEFA would cooperate with another organisation trying to bring them down? They would used every hurdle and obstacle in their power to slow down the investigation.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

This non-cooperation bullshit.

Does anyone thing the PL and UEFA would cooperate with another organisation trying to bring them down? They would used every hurdle and obstacle in their power to slow down the investigation.

Regardless of opinion, the regs do say you have to cooperate.
The PL have to charge on that, or next time they would have a harder time justifying it.