City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[moz]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

What happens if we lose in court?

 

[pavelsrnicek]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Laws apply, whether it is invitation only or not.

It's hard to argue in a court of law against rulings for an invite only competition. Essentially, City may escape having the fine but UEFA could easily retaliate by withdrawing future invitations. UEFA control the Champions League, not City.

It stopped legally being an invite-only competition when UEFA took over the role of sole commercial negotiator, now it's open to antitrust statutes, it's also open to employment law as it's a professional sport, as has been proved before with the Bosman Ruling.

Correct the EU principle of legitimate expectations also apply so withholding the invitation would breach City's legitimate expectation of playing in the champions league having finished in the top 4.

 

[Chippy_boy]

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It's quite funny that a lot of you seem to be missing the bigger picture here. UEFA Champions League is an invite only competition, so you could refuse to pay the fine or boycott the Champions League if you really wanted, but you really think it'll hurt UEFA?

They'll simply invite the next available team into the Champions League and life would move on. You're not important enough to derail the Champions League through boycotting, it would still remain the most prestigious club level competition available and you'd just be the ones missing out - which again, would simply hurt you financially through lack of sponsorships.

For those of you calling it "pocket change", wow, it shows just how ridiculous your views on money in football have become from your sugar daddies looking after you. £50 million is an incredible fine. Money even your club wouldn't want to lose.

Again, City would probably refuse to pay or challenge in a court of law, however I think the fear of no Champions League is a much scarier idea.

Laws apply, whether it is invitation only or not.

It's hard to argue in a court of law against rulings for an invite only competition. Essentially, City may escape having the fine but UEFA could easily retaliate by withdrawing future invitations. UEFA control the Champions League, not City.

Mate, you'll avoid a lot of flack if you stick to talking about something you actually know about instead of talking bollocks. What you say above is factually incorrect, for the record like.

Unless you think child-molesting is ok so long as it's done as part of an invitation-only club event perhaps?

 

[moomba]

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If we just pay the fine and accept that they can disregard legitimate income against their own rules whats to stop UEFA doing exactly the same next season.

 

[aguero93:20]

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Agreed. But I still don't think he'd be that arsed

Obviously he is or we wouldn't be arguing, I'm sure UEFA would be happy for us just to pay a bigger fine.

He's a mult-billionaire in his own right for a reason. I've met a few well off folk in my time who's wealth is something our Sheikh would find down his sofa but they are all as tight as a butchers arse. There is no way we will just accept this.

More importantly the principle of the thing a Co-worker from Abu Dhabi has told me, it's a diplomatic insult on a massive scale.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

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so PSG make a much bigger loss than us yet get a similar deal, funny.

£50m fine + squad restrictions is obscene and isn't a punishment, it's a blatant attempt to nullify us and destabilise us.

Funny this comes out the day after Liverpool fuck up.

It's just blatant, absolutely blatant.

I'm sure you are about to explain to us just how a UEFA ruling scheduled for this morning and Liverpool drawing last night are somehow inextricably linked via conspiracy theory here, because to the casual onlooker such as myself the two have precisely fuck all in common.

 

[hertsblue]

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So we have been totally open with UEFA and our loss's are improving hugely and we are heading in the right direction. PSG have constantly stuck up 2 fingers at the FFP yet both have the same fine/sanctions.
Pathetic.
Hope City take them on and take them to the cleaners.
50 million. Where did they get such a figure from to arrive at that amount. Plucked from thin air I bet. Do nothing about corruption, violence, racism bar petty cash token fines.

 

[Selbyblue]

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I don't expect any statement from City for several reasons but the main ones being :-

1 Negotiations presumably ongoing.
2 Don't want to distract from the last 2 games of the season
3 We don't want to say anything that may prejudice any legal proceedings.

I didn't think I could be more fired up for the last two games but this has taken it to a whole new level.

CTID

 

[BringBackSwales]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

It's quite funny that a lot of you seem to be missing the bigger picture here. UEFA Champions League is an invite only competition, so you could refuse to pay the fine or boycott the Champions League if you really wanted, but you really think it'll hurt UEFA?

They'll simply invite the next available team into the Champions League and life would move on. You're not important enough to derail the Champions League through boycotting, it would still remain the most prestigious club level competition available and you'd just be the ones missing out - which again, would simply hurt you financially through lack of sponsorships.

For those of you calling it "pocket change", wow, it shows just how ridiculous your views on money in football have become from your sugar daddies looking after you. £50 million is an incredible fine. Money even your club wouldn't want to lose.

Again, City would probably refuse to pay or challenge in a court of law, however I think the fear of no Champions League is a much scarier idea.

Laws apply, whether it is invitation only or not.

It's hard to argue in a court of law against rulings for an invite only competition. Essentially, City may escape having the fine but UEFA could easily retaliate by withdrawing future invitations. UEFA control the Champions League, not City.

you are missing the point - it is a competition which involves workers, and owners and so on, all of whom have legal rights, all of whom can expect the applicable laws to be upheld, it is not the 18th century any more when laws can just be ignored.

PS and by the way what has it to do with you rag boy? For you to get into the CL you would need more teams than just us to get fucked over by uefa, fuck off back to your 7th heaven

 

[[MU]Prodigy]

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It's pointless arguing wit you, because it's obvious you really don't understand and you come from it from a United agenda

I have no agenda here, I personally think it's embarrassing they're willing to charge clubs this amount for FFP yet refuse to take this strong of a stance for racism charges.

All I'm saying is people talking about boycotting the Champions League, or suing UEFA for losses if they're barred are being absent minded from the fact that UEFA can choose to exclude City from CL and face zero repercussions.