City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[Hart of the Matter]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Yeah. Had a great time but loads of Geordie Rags and Dippers came out of the woodwork. At least the Tarquin had a london wideboy accent. Calling them all a cartel really wound them up. The more wound up they got the more they lost the plot. It got very heated with loads of people chipping in. I owned them all by the end :-)

Geordie rags? Do they exist?

You would be surprised. Remember Newcastle only had home gates of12000 in the eighties. Loads deserted to united. Younger ones and loyal ones hate the rags after the Keegan bust up. I see plenty of Liverpool shirts up here as well. A plastic is a plastic at the end of the day.

 

[ElanJo]

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But the transfer cap is for 2 seasons that's got to be bad news.

I thought it was just one?

It is, I don't know where people are getting their information from, it would help if they actually read the Club Statement

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Club-news/2014/May/Club-statement-16-May" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Club-news/20 ... ent-16-May</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Download/OfficialDocument/uefaorg/ClubFinancialControl/02/10/69/00/2106900_DOWNLOAD.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Dow ... WNLOAD.pdf</a>

-Manchester City agrees to significantly limit spending in the transfer market for
seasons 2014/2015 and 2015/2016. Manchester City further accepts a calculated
limitation on the number of new registrations it may include within their “A” List
for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. This calculation is based
on the clubs net transfer position in each respective registration period covered by
this agreement.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

We should look on the bright side and in considering our Champions League prospects are hampered, those gloating supporters of clubs on the fringes should remember that England's status in providing four clubs is already under threat, and if our handicap is going to stop our progression towards the latter stages of the competition, it is they who are likely to suffer through an inability to even qualify, let alone become global shirt sellers. We ourselves are near complete at domestic level and should suffer no problem in qualifying for many years to come.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Is the transfer cap for the season or just for the summer window?

 

[Cityfan]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Is the transfer cap for the season or just for the summer window?

The ruling is for seasons 2014/15 and 2015/16 no mention of when during the season so I would assume it is the whole season

 

[TrueBlue1705]

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Okay, I've just sent this on to a Dipper fan who's had this weird obsession with us and FFP, like it would be life changing or something.

I've borrowed liberally from here, no plagiarism or credit on my part for lots of this, but it's a good summation to spread and share around, or look at from layman's terms if you aren't keeping up to speed:

Just having a dig around ffp sanctions this morning. They are pretty much non existant tbh.




A few points on it to justify this:




On the reduction of our CL squad size:




Having read the regulations
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Dow" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Dow</a> ... WNLOAD.pdf

Specifically parts 18-12 and 18-08
Basically it's pro rata'd down
25 -8 HG
24-7
23-6
22-5
21-4




So essentially they've done us a favour here, as we would have struggled to come up with 8 HG players within a 25 man squad, however 4 within a 21 man squad is within our existing squad. (this doesn't include academy kids who go on your "B" list, and Karim Rekik will go on this(in the dutch world cup squad after a great season at PSV) and Marcos Lopes will stay in here(3 goals last year in the senior team in league and FA Cup).

18.08 & 18.12 specifically state that clubs have to have 8 places reserved for locally trained players. All examples in the Annexes are based on 25 man maximum squad sizes there is nothing in the rules that states you can have fewer than eight places reserved for locally trained players if your squad size is reduced as a punishment.

We may have negotiated a reduction as part of the negotiations but until I hear otherwise personally I am assuming we must have eight places reserved for locally trained players as specified in the rules,

This is what we need confirmation on - if City go ahead with transfers of Fernando, Sagna, Managala or Benatia then that would make me think its a lower figure than 8 homegrown - City surely would have sought clatification/negotiated this with incoming transfers in mind. If they haven't and UEFA force the eight HG on us then they have dropped a clanger that the CL will be a write off this coming season ....

So in summary to all these people saying we have got off lightly:

1) not if we have to name 8 HG players in 21 man CL squad

2) no mention of PSG getting the same transfer cap as us ???

 

[xgorton]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

I thought it was just one?

It is, I don't know where people are getting their information from, it would help if they actually read the Club Statement

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Club-news/2014/May/Club-statement-16-May" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Club-news/20 ... ent-16-May</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Download/OfficialDocument/uefaorg/ClubFinancialControl/02/10/69/00/2106900_DOWNLOAD.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Dow ... WNLOAD.pdf</a>

-Manchester City agrees to significantly limit spending in the transfer market for
seasons 2014/2015 and 2015/2016. Manchester City further accepts a calculated
limitation on the number of new registrations it may include within their “A” List
for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. This calculation is based
on the clubs net transfer position in each respective registration period covered by
this agreement.

Thanks I keep telling them its for 2 seasons.

 

[andyhinch]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Is the transfer cap for the season or just for the summer window?

Just the summer window as far as I can work out.

 

[George Hannah]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

18.08 & 18.12 specifically state that clubs have to have 8 places reserved for locally trained players. All examples in the Annexes are based on 25 man maximum squad sizes there is nothing in the rules that states you can have fewer than eight places reserved for locally trained players if your squad size is reduced as a punishment.
We may have negotiated a reduction as part of the negotiations but until I hear otherwise personally I am assuming we must have eight places reserved for locally trained players as specified in the rules,

As I posted last night this is a key part of the UEFA attack. The question is whether our transfer plans have actually been badly disrupted in spite of what we say on the OS . It crucially depends if UEFA reduce our foreign trained contingent by 4 to 13 by insisting on 8 association/club trained players in the 21. That would mean that 3 of our current 16 foreign trained players (or their direct replacements) weren't eligible for CL next season. In practice Pantilimon could be replaced by Willy but there would be no room for Mangala, Sagna or Fernando in that situation, so by signing all of them it would be six top players out of the CL. The best we can hope for it seems is that it would be a pro-rata reduction - 2 foreign-trained and 2 association-trained places but even then 4 would be excluded. We've taken a real beating on this one.

 

[blueparrot]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Okay, I've just sent this on to a Dipper fan who's had this weird obsession with us and FFP, like it would be life changing or something.

I've borrowed liberally from here, no plagiarism or credit on my part for lots of this, but it's a good summation to spread and share around, or look at from layman's terms if you aren't keeping up to speed:

Just having a dig around ffp sanctions this morning. They are pretty much non existant tbh.




A few points on it to justify this:




On the reduction of our CL squad size:




Having read the regulations
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Dow" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Dow</a> ... WNLOAD.pdf

Specifically parts 18-12 and 18-08
Basically it's pro rata'd down
25 -8 HG
24-7
23-6
22-5
21-4




So essentially they've done us a favour here, as we would have struggled to come up with 8 HG players within a 25 man squad, however 4 within a 21 man squad is within our existing squad. (this doesn't include academy kids who go on your "B" list, and Karim Rekik will go on this(in the dutch world cup squad after a great season at PSV) and Marcos Lopes will stay in here(3 goals last year in the senior team in league and FA Cup).

18.08 & 18.12 specifically state that clubs have to have 8 places reserved for locally trained players. All examples in the Annexes are based on 25 man maximum squad sizes there is nothing in the rules that states you can have fewer than eight places reserved for locally trained players if your squad size is reduced as a punishment.

We may have negotiated a reduction as part of the negotiations but until I hear otherwise personally I am assuming we must have eight places reserved for locally trained players as specified in the rules,

This is what we need confirmation on - if City go ahead with transfers of Fernando, Sagna, Managala or Benatia then that would make me think its a lower figure than 8 homegrown - City surely would have sought clatification/negotiated this with incoming transfers in mind. If they haven't and UEFA force the eight HG on us then they have dropped a clanger that the CL will be a write off this coming season ....

So in summary to all these people saying we have got off lightly:

1) not if we have to name 8 HG players in 21 man CL squad

2) no mention of PSG getting the same transfer cap as us ???

PSG have exactly the same transfer cap as us