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It won't. All things come to an end - just ask the dippers and the rags.

What I dream of is a good two decades of success before our star begins to wane.

The only reason the rags & dippers have waned is due to terrible management over a period of time imo, coming from Ferguson etc going out of date but still getting away with it. But it wouldn't take that much to put the rags back together, just a new bunch of people running things.

I don't think we will ever see a poor management structure in charge at City for any length of time. We are constantly looking to be at the front of football evolution. Therefore, we will always have the finaclial resources & always be successful imo. I don't believe success to be winning the league every year, nor would I want an end to competition like that, but success as in winning a lot of titles, cups, Champs Leagues & competing pretty much all of the time, is what lies in our future imo. Forever.
 
Does anybody else NOT want us to steamroller the PL every season? Set a few records yes, do a double or treble, win the PL three times in a row yes (well 4 to set a new record) but not win it every single year and not have it done by April each time - I don't want the PL to turn into a one horse race like Scotland or a lesser extent Germany - we need other sides to like Chelsea, Arsenal & Liverpool to make a fist of it (Man U can fuck off however)
Simply can't see that happening anyway in the PL. There's too much money, teams like Chelsea & United would spend whatever necessary to stop that.
Would be perfectly happy for us to win it every year if was close, I would never want to be like Bayern where it doesn't matter who the manager is, doesn't matter the starting 11, you just know you've won the title before the season has started and the only excitement comes from the CL.

I think the swings and roundabouts make it more enjoyable though, feels like the players and the fans are more excited and determined this year to win it after missing out last year - and for me that's a good thing to have.
 
Ask Madrid and Bayern. Not if you get your infrastructure right.

Yeah i'd agree with that. The problem both Liverpool and United have is that whilst they were successful on the pitch they weren't necessarily geared up for the modernisation and globalisation of the game. United were commercially, but in terms of their footballing infrastructure it looks pretty archaic now if you consider Ferguson left a team which had just won the title and had a very good average age.

My personal opinion is that the best run clubs in England have some kind of DoF model and a harmony between board and manager. Swansea and Southampton being two very good examples.
 
If the PL became a "one horse race" each season then interest in the league from the rest of Europe and the world might wane. This would of course eventually cause a "fall off" in money being made available for tv rights etc.

Surely the last thing we all would want is a Scottish Premier League situation, or even French League?

Nice as it would be to win the league title each season, competition is a healthy thing.
 
Ask Madrid and Bayern. Not if you get your infrastructure right.

I agree with this.

A decent Business Plan with accountability at every level to a CEO (or equivalent) works in every other sector.
Obviously a monopoly on profit can cover up areas of inefficiency so historical success makes the club complacent that their way is the only way so change is something to fear rather than be part of the Business Plan.

This happens in other areas where for instance Tesco, Morrisons and ASDA have had to adjust to competition after years of complacent profit taking.

Our owner is a shrewd investor who has assembled a magnificent business team to invest his money to effect.
A good business plan allied to a successful football team controlled by a hand picked experts in their various areas of expertise has a decent chance of long lasting success rather than relying on historical success that is outraged when newcomers take their best players.
 
With all the moaners in Europe complaining or having sly digs at how much money the premiership can spend I think it's only a matter of time before uefa try to address the balance in someway.

I think they will try to steer clear of imposing financial restrictions on a country but maybe they could impose something like a restriction on the number of transfers a team can have in a single season and index it against last years spend.
So you can spend £1bn on a player if you so wish but then will be limited to 1 transfer in for the following season.
Or some other nonsense.

I don't pretend to know the legal side of things but just thinking out loud.
One thing is for sure and that's UEFA won't allow English teams to have a run at every single player.
 
Good post and a fair summation I think of the choices the 'other three' face in terms of how to compete with City.

My own opinion is that Abramovich decided long ago he wasn't going to compete. Hence the biggest transfer fee they've paid post Torres is 32 million pounds for Costa/Hazard. This is a very different model from the one he used when he came in and is much closer to the Arsenal one. It's interesting for me because if Chelsea/Arsenal do continue to be content with a top 4 finish each year without there being an enormous pressure to deliver trophies we could end up in a situation where City dominate the league for the foreseeable future.

In a way that'd be a shame. Winning a competitive league is far more satisfying that winning a two team one. I'm not saying it's currently uncompetitive BTW, just that if the trends continue I can see us being miles ahead of the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal in five years time.

Whilst not forever, a few years of that would be quite nice Billy.
 
If the PL became a "one horse race" each season then interest in the league from the rest of Europe and the world might wane. This would of course eventually cause a "fall off" in money being made available for tv rights etc.

Surely the last thing we all would want is a Scottish Premier League situation, or even French League?

Nice as it would be to win the league title each season, competition is a healthy thing.

Absolutely.

You need to be a rag to enjoy beating people up day in day out & never have any decent competition. That said, I would be happy to win the Champions League ten years in a row & effectively piss on that competition so that nobody even watches it, & for us to beat the rags in every game at every level, for as long as I live.
 
Just regarding CFG, is this also insurance that should the PL or even European football leagues generally lose their appeal then the potential in other Continents still exists.
For instance if USA really takes off could it be that players will gravitate to there for their career rather than for just an end of career bonus ?
 
Just regarding CFG, is this also insurance that should the PL or even European football leagues generally lose their appeal then the potential in other Continents still exists.
For instance if USA really takes off could it be that players will gravitate to there for their career rather than for just an end of career bonus ?

It could well be. I reckon it'll be pretty hard to dislodge the European leagues though, we'll end up with some shit global super league first imo.
 
This transfer window is the first installment in a series which will show what a load of nonsense FFPR is. It is the response of a set of intellectually challenged football godfathers who have no clear idea of what they should be trying to do and little idea of what they ere actually doing.

It is never a good idea for a governing body to take sides with one faction in the sport especially when that faction is so obviously completely self-interested and when it wishes to outlaw what is in the best interests of the game. When the two wise men of Milan added their voices to support FFPR Platini should have smelled a rat immediately. Inevitably FFPR are a "problem" for those who supported them most vociferously: they are not a problem for City. You were told what would happen, Michel, but you wouldn't listen and at the start of this summer you showed us all what a real plonker you truly are. City prepared to spend £150 million and you had to try and pacify your broke Italians. The Germans are moaning more than ever, and you're as clueless as you were last year.

Sheikh Mansour, on the other hand, knows exactly what he's doing. It's often said that City were just lucky because the Sheikh could have bough any club. Wrong! The Sheikh took a clear business decision to buy a football club in a lousy area and then buy the polluted, poisonous ground round it and develop it. This is known as regeneration, and for people who build Dubai in the middle of the desert it really isn't much of a challenge. The bad news for FFPR, Michel, is that the Sheikh isn't half way through yet. But he's put his money where many mouths across Europe were and he's built a clb with a turnover of £350 million pa - and it's growing fast. Now, the Sheikh was fully aware that buying an English club was a smart move, and we are now seeing that the PL is beginning really to show its financial power: Americans can watch any and every single PL match and the PL is watched all over the world. The TV audience is vastly more important than those who go to the ground in financial terms and the PL is worth nearly 3 times more than the Bundesliga.

In his befuddled state Platini used to lecture City on all this. He used to love telling us that clubs must break even, only spend what they earn and look to their financial stability. That's what City have just done: it's your Italian mates who are struggling, Michel. And City have done this BEFORE the massive new TV deal makes itself felt. Sorry, Michel, but there's more to come next year!

What Platini never saw was not justthe financial power of the PL but its enormous financial potential, but Sheikh Mansour certainly did. And he's used it to turn City into a financial giant - another "northern powerhouse"! Perhaps Platini should try to understand that English football in general and Manchester City in particular are not the "problems" and have actually a lot to give the game which is of real benefit. Maybe if he took an objective look at ownership models in Germany which create real financial problems for clubs, turn the league into nothing but a one horse race and pledge the league to 10 euro tickets for the privileged few entitled to them and asked if this subsidy model is anywhere near as effective as we're told, he might drop his vendetta against those who really do act in the best interests of the game.
 
This transfer window is the first installment in a series which will show what a load of nonsense FFPR is. It is the response of a set of intellectually challenged football godfathers who have no clear idea of what they should be trying to do and little idea of what they ere actually doing.

It is never a good idea for a governing body to take sides with one faction in the sport especially when that faction is so obviously completely self-interested and when it wishes to outlaw what is in the best interests of the game. When the two wise men of Milan added their voices to support FFPR Platini should have smelled a rat immediately. Inevitably FFPR are a "problem" for those who supported them most vociferously: they are not a problem for City. You were told what would happen, Michel, but you wouldn't listen and at the start of this summer you showed us all what a real plonker you truly are. City prepared to spend £150 million and you had to try and pacify your broke Italians. The Germans are moaning more than ever, and you're as clueless as you were last year.

Sheikh Mansour, on the other hand, knows exactly what he's doing. It's often said that City were just lucky because the Sheikh could have bough any club. Wrong! The Sheikh took a clear business decision to buy a football club in a lousy area and then buy the polluted, poisonous ground round it and develop it. This is known as regeneration, and for people who build Dubai in the middle of the desert it really isn't much of a challenge. The bad news for FFPR, Michel, is that the Sheikh isn't half way through yet. But he's put his money where many mouths across Europe were and he's built a clb with a turnover of £350 million pa - and it's growing fast. Now, the Sheikh was fully aware that buying an English club was a smart move, and we are now seeing that the PL is beginning really to show its financial power: Americans can watch any and every single PL match and the PL is watched all over the world. The TV audience is vastly more important than those who go to the ground in financial terms and the PL is worth nearly 3 times more than the Bundesliga.

In his befuddled state Platini used to lecture City on all this. He used to love telling us that clubs must break even, only spend what they earn and look to their financial stability. That's what City have just done: it's your Italian mates who are struggling, Michel. And City have done this BEFORE the massive new TV deal makes itself felt. Sorry, Michel, but there's more to come next year!

What Platini never saw was not justthe financial power of the PL but its enormous financial potential, but Sheikh Mansour certainly did. And he's used it to turn City into a financial giant - another "northern powerhouse"! Perhaps Platini should try to understand that English football in general and Manchester City in particular are not the "problems" and have actually a lot to give the game which is of real benefit. Maybe if he took an objective look at ownership models in Germany which create real financial problems for clubs, turn the league into nothing but a one horse race and pledge the league to 10 euro tickets for the privileged few entitled to them and asked if this subsidy model is anywhere near as effective as we're told, he might drop his vendetta against those who really do act in the best interests of the game.

Thanks BSHR, I don't think many will disagree with that.

The future for Sheikh M. and ADUG looks particularly bright because as you say investment is continuing at speed.
Apart from football success they are now getting the spinoff that sponsors get for their investment in City, opportunity to be noticed.
The University projects, the house building project and the Graphene investment together with the revaluation of Eastlands as a potential for others to bring investment.

It could be said that our owner is lucky to have money to invest but surely that is what most of the other top clubs have got as well ? Their profits from other areas have funded their shareholdings but they saw their investment as a cash cow and not a means to begin a new venture.

I am enjoying the journey.
 
This transfer window is the first installment in a series which will show what a load of nonsense FFPR is. It is the response of a set of intellectually challenged football godfathers who have no clear idea of what they should be trying to do and little idea of what they ere actually doing.

It is never a good idea for a governing body to take sides with one faction in the sport especially when that faction is so obviously completely self-interested and when it wishes to outlaw what is in the best interests of the game. When the two wise men of Milan added their voices to support FFPR Platini should have smelled a rat immediately. Inevitably FFPR are a "problem" for those who supported them most vociferously: they are not a problem for City. You were told what would happen, Michel, but you wouldn't listen and at the start of this summer you showed us all what a real plonker you truly are. City prepared to spend £150 million and you had to try and pacify your broke Italians. The Germans are moaning more than ever, and you're as clueless as you were last year.

Sheikh Mansour, on the other hand, knows exactly what he's doing. It's often said that City were just lucky because the Sheikh could have bough any club. Wrong! The Sheikh took a clear business decision to buy a football club in a lousy area and then buy the polluted, poisonous ground round it and develop it. This is known as regeneration, and for people who build Dubai in the middle of the desert it really isn't much of a challenge. The bad news for FFPR, Michel, is that the Sheikh isn't half way through yet. But he's put his money where many mouths across Europe were and he's built a clb with a turnover of £350 million pa - and it's growing fast. Now, the Sheikh was fully aware that buying an English club was a smart move, and we are now seeing that the PL is beginning really to show its financial power: Americans can watch any and every single PL match and the PL is watched all over the world. The TV audience is vastly more important than those who go to the ground in financial terms and the PL is worth nearly 3 times more than the Bundesliga.

In his befuddled state Platini used to lecture City on all this. He used to love telling us that clubs must break even, only spend what they earn and look to their financial stability. That's what City have just done: it's your Italian mates who are struggling, Michel. And City have done this BEFORE the massive new TV deal makes itself felt. Sorry, Michel, but there's more to come next year!

What Platini never saw was not justthe financial power of the PL but its enormous financial potential, but Sheikh Mansour certainly did. And he's used it to turn City into a financial giant - another "northern powerhouse"! Perhaps Platini should try to understand that English football in general and Manchester City in particular are not the "problems" and have actually a lot to give the game which is of real benefit. Maybe if he took an objective look at ownership models in Germany which create real financial problems for clubs, turn the league into nothing but a one horse race and pledge the league to 10 euro tickets for the privileged few entitled to them and asked if this subsidy model is anywhere near as effective as we're told, he might drop his vendetta against those who really do act in the best interests of the game.
Excellent post.
 
This transfer window is the first installment in a series which will show what a load of nonsense FFPR is. It is the response of a set of intellectually challenged football godfathers who have no clear idea of what they should be trying to do and little idea of what they ere actually doing.

It is never a good idea for a governing body to take sides with one faction in the sport especially when that faction is so obviously completely self-interested and when it wishes to outlaw what is in the best interests of the game. When the two wise men of Milan added their voices to support FFPR Platini should have smelled a rat immediately. Inevitably FFPR are a "problem" for those who supported them most vociferously: they are not a problem for City. You were told what would happen, Michel, but you wouldn't listen and at the start of this summer you showed us all what a real plonker you truly are. City prepared to spend £150 million and you had to try and pacify your broke Italians. The Germans are moaning more than ever, and you're as clueless as you were last year.

Sheikh Mansour, on the other hand, knows exactly what he's doing. It's often said that City were just lucky because the Sheikh could have bough any club. Wrong! The Sheikh took a clear business decision to buy a football club in a lousy area and then buy the polluted, poisonous ground round it and develop it. This is known as regeneration, and for people who build Dubai in the middle of the desert it really isn't much of a challenge. The bad news for FFPR, Michel, is that the Sheikh isn't half way through yet. But he's put his money where many mouths across Europe were and he's built a clb with a turnover of £350 million pa - and it's growing fast. Now, the Sheikh was fully aware that buying an English club was a smart move, and we are now seeing that the PL is beginning really to show its financial power: Americans can watch any and every single PL match and the PL is watched all over the world. The TV audience is vastly more important than those who go to the ground in financial terms and the PL is worth nearly 3 times more than the Bundesliga.

In his befuddled state Platini used to lecture City on all this. He used to love telling us that clubs must break even, only spend what they earn and look to their financial stability. That's what City have just done: it's your Italian mates who are struggling, Michel. And City have done this BEFORE the massive new TV deal makes itself felt. Sorry, Michel, but there's more to come next year!

What Platini never saw was not justthe financial power of the PL but its enormous financial potential, but Sheikh Mansour certainly did. And he's used it to turn City into a financial giant - another "northern powerhouse"! Perhaps Platini should try to understand that English football in general and Manchester City in particular are not the "problems" and have actually a lot to give the game which is of real benefit. Maybe if he took an objective look at ownership models in Germany which create real financial problems for clubs, turn the league into nothing but a one horse race and pledge the league to 10 euro tickets for the privileged few entitled to them and asked if this subsidy model is anywhere near as effective as we're told, he might drop his vendetta against those who really do act in the best interests of the game.
Another elegant and eloquent discourse.
I would have just said "sorry Michel, that's what you get when you piss in the wind"
 
This transfer window is the first installment in a series which will show what a load of nonsense FFPR is. It is the response of a set of intellectually challenged football godfathers who have no clear idea of what they should be trying to do and little idea of what they ere actually doing.

It is never a good idea for a governing body to take sides with one faction in the sport especially when that faction is so obviously completely self-interested and when it wishes to outlaw what is in the best interests of the game. When the two wise men of Milan added their voices to support FFPR Platini should have smelled a rat immediately. Inevitably FFPR are a "problem" for those who supported them most vociferously: they are not a problem for City. You were told what would happen, Michel, but you wouldn't listen and at the start of this summer you showed us all what a real plonker you truly are. City prepared to spend £150 million and you had to try and pacify your broke Italians. The Germans are moaning more than ever, and you're as clueless as you were last year.

Sheikh Mansour, on the other hand, knows exactly what he's doing. It's often said that City were just lucky because the Sheikh could have bough any club. Wrong! The Sheikh took a clear business decision to buy a football club in a lousy area and then buy the polluted, poisonous ground round it and develop it. This is known as regeneration, and for people who build Dubai in the middle of the desert it really isn't much of a challenge. The bad news for FFPR, Michel, is that the Sheikh isn't half way through yet. But he's put his money where many mouths across Europe were and he's built a clb with a turnover of £350 million pa - and it's growing fast. Now, the Sheikh was fully aware that buying an English club was a smart move, and we are now seeing that the PL is beginning really to show its financial power: Americans can watch any and every single PL match and the PL is watched all over the world. The TV audience is vastly more important than those who go to the ground in financial terms and the PL is worth nearly 3 times more than the Bundesliga.

In his befuddled state Platini used to lecture City on all this. He used to love telling us that clubs must break even, only spend what they earn and look to their financial stability. That's what City have just done: it's your Italian mates who are struggling, Michel. And City have done this BEFORE the massive new TV deal makes itself felt. Sorry, Michel, but there's more to come next year!

What Platini never saw was not justthe financial power of the PL but its enormous financial potential, but Sheikh Mansour certainly did. And he's used it to turn City into a financial giant - another "northern powerhouse"! Perhaps Platini should try to understand that English football in general and Manchester City in particular are not the "problems" and have actually a lot to give the game which is of real benefit. Maybe if he took an objective look at ownership models in Germany which create real financial problems for clubs, turn the league into nothing but a one horse race and pledge the league to 10 euro tickets for the privileged few entitled to them and asked if this subsidy model is anywhere near as effective as we're told, he might drop his vendetta against those who really do act in the best interests of the game.


Main man on point as usual.
 
Ask Madrid and Bayern. Not if you get your infrastructure right.

The infrastructure is what keeps you there or thereabouts. But nobody remains No 1 forever.

How long did it take Madrid to win La Decima? How long to win the first nine? Where were Bayern in the 70s & 80s when English clubs were hoovering up?
 
The infrastructure is what keeps you there or thereabouts. But nobody remains No 1 forever.

How long did it take Madrid to win La Decima? How long to win the first nine? Where were Bayern in the 70s & 80s when English clubs were hoovering up?

Maybe we can't remain number one but top 3 should be doable.
 

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