City launch legal action against the Premier League | City win APT case (pg901)

[mrtwiceaseason]

And that is, of course, because as yet NUFC haven’t won anything.

Both of those things will change, probably more or less simultaneously

Newcastle will never win anything,the worlds longest sleeping giant ,getting an easy ride as people have realised they are no threat .

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

Newcastle fan here.
I understand that your ownership structure is such that you are not directly owned by the state. The question I ask though is, what the fuck would it matter if you were?

State ownership is not forbidden by any relevant football authorities, and if they tried to do it, it would likely fall foul of the UK’s competition rules.

It seems the only people who have a problem with state ownership is those who feel like they would never be able to compete, I.E. the cabal. The thing is though, clubs being owned by state ownership is no more or less of a barrier from competing when they had the richest owners.

In reality there always has been, and always will be an unbalance of those who have money, and those who do not. It’s been that way since PNE started paying players, and the leagues ultimately became professional.
In a modern sense, take Tottenham Hotspur’s for example. Historically they are not really that much bigger than us (Newcastle). In the Premier League era, they have outdone us by winning 2 League Cups, credit to them, but not really something to say they are significantly bigger than us, if so then the argument that Leicester are bigger than them would be a fairly easy point to make in response. Anyway London prices has meant that they have been able to command higher ticket prices than any club in the North East region would ever be able to charge. Would they also be able build such a stadium if they were based up here, and also to host the events such as the NFL etc which all brings in them higher revenue?
I guess we’ll find out soon enough when our owners do what they will in regard to our new stadium.
Let’s flip things on its head. Would a Spurs based where they are in London have been able to build the stadium they had, been able to get merchandise sales etc through at the levels they do, or sell tickets at London prices if Mike Ashley had bought and gimped them for 14 years instead of settling to do it to us?
I’m going to hazard a guess and say not.
You see, the dynamics of having money, and not having money is never going to be simple, and it’s never going to be wholly level. Somewhere along the lines there is going to be circumstances that means one club can gain more money than the other. For every poor person in Liverpool who can’t afford a match ticket, you have someone from Dublin taking his place. Newcastle isn’t exactly an hours ferry ride from Norway to be able to do the same.

I guess my point is that the lines about where money can be earned, spent, and who can have it have never been defined, but always assumed. Much like those bankers who went complaining when the nerds fucked them over with GameStop shares due to not doing what is assumed, tough fucking luck, you can whinge all you want, but what is good enough for the Goose, is going to be good enough for the Gander.

I know I’ve went off on a tangent here, I know I’m largely preaching to the congregation, but I think my point is valid.

The real issue is that the cartel clubs have been in control for at least half a century. Go back to the fifties when the FA wanted to bring out their own version of the pools for the supposed benefit of all football. This was vetoed by both Liverpool and Everton who were both benefiting from Moore family investment. Follow that through to today when Masters was hawked around Old Trafford and Anfield who rubber stamped his appointment after they objected to the first few choices. When the previous Newcastle before the takeover side with the cartel, it’s a vote to be the humiliated controlled opposition of the Harlem Globetrotters clubs.

You haven’t won anything. If City win their case and your owners piggyback and invest, and start regularly taking a Champions League spot, buckle up buttercup. You’ll get so much shit.

 

[dadnlad]

And all because the club is better run, and so more successful, than the redshirts. If we were mid-table there would be none of this.

it would be the other way all tht money bla bla and your still shit piss taking

 

[SilverFox2]

I still can’t get my head around how the PL can say that our new deal with Etihad is not ‘fair and reasonable’. They have nothing to compare it with. We are World Club Champions, PL Champions and Etihad will have their name on every single City shirt around the world (we have 10(?) clubs internationally). How many shirts is that plus seen on national and international TV all year round. How on earth can the PL put a value on that??

All that together with allowing the PL to sell their TV rights etc that we largely fashioned for them.

 

[Stoned Rose]

And that is, of course, because as yet NUFC haven’t won anything.

Both of those things will change, probably more or less simultaneously

Newcastle won’t win anything.

It won’t be allowed.

 

[Chris-NCL]

I hear what you are saying and you are right, of course. But it's not the state-owned thing on its own. It's the combination of state-owned, state-funded, state-supported or state-whateverthelateststupidepithetis with human rights/ dirty oil money/ cheating Arabs/ rows of grinning beards narrative of xenophobia, racism and arrogance of western value supremacy that grinds our gears after 15 years of being beaten with it continually.

And all because the club is better run, and so more successful, than the redshirts. If we were mid-table there would be none of this.

You have still been relatively unscathed by all that shit. But you will understand soon enough.

I mean we spent 18 months of Qatari bots on social media attacking us, from the football club, to the city, to the people. I never knew how many bots there was on social media until then.

We already get the grief off the media, and have done for a while. It’s actually you Man City fans who warned us of this, then invited our fans onto your podcasts during our takeover saga that got me on here to see what you opinions etc were on all things football financial/regilations.

Last week Migual Delaney was writing an article titled that we face losing our ownership due to a lack of clarity over our owners and separation from the state. He then ended the article saying they could sell us and buy another Premier League team, without a hint of irony.

We also single-handedly keep Richard Keys in the media every time he pops up on Bein having a go at us.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I mean we spent 18 months of Qatari bots on social media attacking us, from the football club, to the city, to the people. I never knew how many bots there was on social media until then.

We already get the grief off the media, and have done for a while. It’s actually you Man City fans who warned us of this, then invited our fans onto your podcasts during our takeover saga that got me on here to see what you opinions etc were on all things football financial/regilations.

Last week Migual Delaney was writing an article titled that we face losing our ownership due to a lack of clarity over our owners and separation from the state. He then ended the article saying they could sell us and buy another Premier League team, without a hint of irony.

We also single-handedly keep Richard Keys in the media every time he pops up on Bein having a go at us.

You think that is bad, wait till you start winning things :)

I hope you do, btw. The more at the top table the better.

 

[wolviedinho]

I mean we spent 18 months of Qatari bots on social media attacking us, from the football club, to the city, to the people. I never knew how many bots there was on social media until then.

We already get the grief off the media, and have done for a while. It’s actually you Man City fans who warned us of this, then invited our fans onto your podcasts during our takeover saga that got me on here to see what you opinions etc were on all things football financial/regilations.

Last week Migual Delaney was writing an article titled that we face losing our ownership due to a lack of clarity over our owners and separation from the state. He then ended the article saying they could sell us and buy another Premier League team, without a hint of irony.

We also single-handedly keep Richard Keys in the media every time he pops up on Bein having a go at us.

It’s a brutal racist world once you start to win.

It does make the victory’s mean that much more tho. Sorry scousers. The 115/apt and uefa relentless attacks on city driven by a disinformation media machine who themselves are struggling to survive without red meat sitting top of the pile is a taste of things to come.

Your fans probably did believe the shit about city and wanted us to fail like every other uneducated fanbase so you do need to take some responsibility. Now that you are in the fish bowl with us it has ramped up. Trying to stop city increasing its commercial sponsorship with etihad due to the Newcastle takeover is just one example of the hate shown towards the club.

They knew we had gotten in the door due to clever finance and a winning football formula so our image had to be destroyed. Newcastle have not broken in and they will make sure you don’t by creating bullshit rules season after to season.

Overall tho,it’s been a wonderful rollercoaster with city winning a treble and 4 in a row. Something unfortunately most loyal fans will never get the chance to experience due to a closed shop.

 

[kaz7]

Newcastle fan here.
I understand that your ownership structure is such that you are not directly owned by the state. The question I ask though is, what the fuck would it matter if you were?

State ownership is not forbidden by any relevant football authorities, and if they tried to do it, it would likely fall foul of the UK’s competition rules.

It seems the only people who have a problem with state ownership is those who feel like they would never be able to compete, I.E. the cabal. The thing is though, clubs being owned by state ownership is no more or less of a barrier from competing when they had the richest owners.

In reality there always has been, and always will be an unbalance of those who have money, and those who do not. It’s been that way since PNE started paying players, and the leagues ultimately became professional.
In a modern sense, take Tottenham Hotspur’s for example. Historically they are not really that much bigger than us (Newcastle). In the Premier League era, they have outdone us by winning 2 League Cups, credit to them, but not really something to say they are significantly bigger than us, if so then the argument that Leicester are bigger than them would be a fairly easy point to make in response. Anyway London prices has meant that they have been able to command higher ticket prices than any club in the North East region would ever be able to charge. Would they also be able build such a stadium if they were based up here, and also to host the events such as the NFL etc which all brings in them higher revenue?
I guess we’ll find out soon enough when our owners do what they will in regard to our new stadium.
Let’s flip things on its head. Would a Spurs based where they are in London have been able to build the stadium they had, been able to get merchandise sales etc through at the levels they do, or sell tickets at London prices if Mike Ashley had bought and gimped them for 14 years instead of settling to do it to us?
I’m going to hazard a guess and say not.
You see, the dynamics of having money, and not having money is never going to be simple, and it’s never going to be wholly level. Somewhere along the lines there is going to be circumstances that means one club can gain more money than the other. For every poor person in Liverpool who can’t afford a match ticket, you have someone from Dublin taking his place. Newcastle isn’t exactly an hours ferry ride from Norway to be able to do the same.

I guess my point is that the lines about where money can be earned, spent, and who can have it have never been defined, but always assumed. Much like those bankers who went complaining when the nerds fucked them over with GameStop shares due to not doing what is assumed, tough fucking luck, you can whinge all you want, but what is good enough for the Goose, is going to be good enough for the Gander.

I know I’ve went off on a tangent here, I know I’m largely preaching to the congregation, but I think my point is valid.

Welcome , very valid points

The media line is we are state owned but we are not , it is a lie and a shady , racist dig . When they go on about oil money they must know our owner has billions in other sectors but they ignore that

It comes down to two things , he is brown and not american. The journo/pundits are up the arses of the yank ownerships even though they are the ones that are draining out money for personal use, our owner has always put it straight back into the club and invests in players and stadium along with the surrounding areas

You will get the same treatment if you can get to be in the top four and shove the cartel out of it even more, good luck !

 

[gocity]

It’s a brutal racist world once you start to win.

It does make the victory’s mean that much more tho. Sorry scousers. The 115/apt and uefa relentless attacks on city driven by a disinformation media machine who themselves are struggling to survive without red meat sitting top of the pile is a taste of things to come.

Your fans probably did believe the shit about city and wanted us to fail like every other uneducated fanbase so you do need to take some responsibility. Now that you are in the fish bowl with us it has ramped up. Trying to stop city increasing its commercial sponsorship with etihad due to the Newcastle takeover is just one example of the hate shown towards the club.

They knew we had got in the door due to clever finance and a winning football formula so our image had to be destroyed. Newcastle have not broken in and they will make sure you don’t by creating bullshit rules season after to season.

Overall tho,it’s been a wonderful rollercoaster with city winning a treble and 4 in a row. Something unfortunately most loyal fans will never get the chance to experience due to a closed shop.

continually breaking records, we are now or will do before our next home game unbeaten at home for 2 years, fantastic