City launch legal action against the Premier League | City win APT case (pg901)

They need two thirds of those voting to approve it, so if 6 abstain they need two thirds of 14, which is 10 votes. Or the club need to organise four more to vote against it.

I think :)
Or maybe 9, as two thirds is less than 10?
One would imagine that most organisations would have minimum numbers required for a vote to pass (say over half must vote yes, for example) but this is the rank amateurs that run the PL so likely to not be the case!
On that basis of course, if 17 clubs were to ever abstain, they’d only need 2 to vote something though……
 
They need two thirds of those voting to approve it, so if 6 abstain they need two thirds of 14, which is 10 votes. Or the club need to organise four more to vote against it.

I think :)
PL handbook:

Passing Resolutions at a General Meeting

14.10. Except where the Act specifies that a particular Resolution of the Company requires a greater majority or in respect of any Resolutions of the Company passed in accordance with Article 23.2, votes cast by two-thirds of such Members who are present and who vote by their Representative or by proxy (i.e. those who are present and do not abstain from voting) at a General Meeting of which notice has been duly given shall be required for the passing of all Resolutions of the Company.
 
If they aren't sure what the legal position is, they shouldn't be voting, which is why there will be a few abstentions I think.
As a matter of policy even small companies in other sectors of business have legal firms for most issues particularly HR matters.
Surely nothing matters more to a PL Club than legality of its rules.
 
I will be very surprised if the PL get these new rules passed tomorrow. Putting the dying cartel to one side, I cannot see most other clubs agreeing to a second set of rules that they are already being told are unlawful. It would harm all of them. Not to mention the fact that most people in football apparently don’t want an independent regulator, and the optics it would send if they just plough ahead knowingly voting in something unlawful, thus triggering yet further litigation. You couldn’t get a better advert for an independent regulator than that.
 
The evidence before the tribunal on this was quite interesting. The PL said that Newcastle was the catalyst but not the reason for the introduction of the APT rules in substitution for the previous RPT rules. They said that the prime motivator was to stop another Portsmouth.

Personally, even though the tribunal accepted that evidence, I would call bullshit on that. The one thing the APT rules would not do is stop another Portsmouth, because Portsmouth went over the edge precisely as a result of the owner called in all those interest free loans. Whether the loans were interest bearing or not is not the issue: as long as the owner of a company can make loans to the company that are repayable on demand, you run the risk of another Portsmouth, and it is irrelevant that the company is in the business of professional football, manufacturing widgits or professional tiddlywinks. So "we wanted to avoid Portsmouth 2" just makes no sense to me.

By contrast, to my mind it is plain that there has for some time been some considerable angst amongst the usual suspects that the long-established RPT rules set out in IAS24 did not cover City and Etihad. This can be seen in the request that was made just after the Newcastle takeover that the tribunal refer to for a rehash of the rules "to include the widest possible definition of what is a related party transaction". It seems likely the 'real' target of the APT rules was both City and Newcastle - City because the existing rules didn't stop us, and Newcastle because they were worried that they would end up having even more muscle than City.

But none of that is to say that there is any direct connection between the 115 charges and the APT rules. They are separate issues relating to different rules. The real connection may be that the motivation for both the 115 charges and the introduction of the APT rules may come from the same place. We have debated the technical deficiencies and hurdles the PL will have to get over in the 115 charges at some length and I don't think anyone needs to re-cover that territory. I think it is quite plain that a degree of pressure has been brought to bear for those charges to be brought, and it wouldn't surprise me if the reason for that is because of the usual suspects' frustration that the rules under which all clubs were operating until 2021 didn't actually achieve what those usual suspects wanted them to achieve. We all know the PL will struggle to land the major charges - maybe famous last words, I know, but that has been the mood music from a variety of sources for the last 2 years - but why else would you bring these Hail Mary charges?
Thanks as ever for your erudite & considered contribution Chris.The bolded bit is what I was trying to infer, but without knowing the exact detail of the PL charges, it's difficult to be certain.

However, paragraphs 18 & 19 in the report of the Arbitration Panel clearly laid bare the background to the motivation for the amendments, which was the belief among some clubs that we were trying to evade declaring that Etihad was a related party. That construct is completely incorrect and is one point that Stefan and me agree on completely.
 

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