City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

Dribble said:
Yes seriously! A question to you... Whose viewpoint carries more weight with you? Those of Stefan, or those of our esteemed preeminent legal team?
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Some posters live in a bluemoon hyperbole.

When a reputable posters says something, many flock to find some sort of balance in the face of continued negative reporting. So I can understand why the need to defend.

What I find interesting is that posters can’t or won’t just say they got it wrong instead it’s dressed up with legal terms and nuanced in such a way as to dumbfound the regular fan.

City’s own words read out on Sky clearly show a club claiming victory. I would love to see the full statement.

What we all need to remember is that this is a forum on the internet not a courtroom. Many actors have vested interested in how they are portrayed and you can see the typical city fans reaction who has no skin in the game compared to the online personality.

My final take, city know far more than any of us as to what we have won today and what deals have or have not been restricted. The assumptions made on here are wildly speculative based on scraps of information.

It’s no wonder it ain’t clear.

Anyone challenging the clubs statement today would need to he able to back that up with equally damming legal knowledge/evidence to support their claim. Anything else is either acting in bad faith and causing conflict within the ranks

Anyway, what do I know, I’m just a typically city fan.
 
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Dribble said:
What else would you call it? I've found his take on our situation strange from the very outset. I was shocked to learn he was supposed to be a City fan.

How about instead of him spewing out mouthfuls of legalease verbals, he breaks things down into the simplest form & asks questions on the reasoning behind the PL's continued rules which always seem to adversely affect City?

EG:

A: If someone publicly accused you of a seriously heinous crime, would you immediately get into the legalities of the accusations & the serious ramifications for you?

B: Or would you tell the accuser to fuck off & invite them to call in the authorities to prove their case, & if they didn't you'd do it yourself & when your innocence was proved, you'd see them in court for reputational damage?

I'm going for B. That's the sign of someone who believes the have "irrefutable evidence" that will clear their name. Now why isn't Stefan cutting through the bullshit & asking the media these most fundamental of questions?

If what City are accused of doing is so wrong, where are the police, HMRC, SFO & Companies House in all this? None can have failed to notice the allegations leveled at City, so why (to our knowledge) haven’t any of them acted?

I'd go further & ask Sly Sports & Talkshite if either had ever contacted the authorities for comment on City's criminality, & if not, why not?

This is the Stefan I want to see in the media, but as sure as eggs is eggs, if he ever dared put it on the media like this, his high profile appearances would end lickety split.

So my next question to you is, do you think Stefan's priority is to put the media on the spot regarding Manchester City, or to preserve his media presence? I find it increasingly difficult not to draw an obvious (to me) conclusion.
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Hey Dribble, fuck off.

You've been banging this shit point about the police and Companies House (Companies House that have no investigatory powers whatsoever) for weeks despite lots of people explaining it was wide of the mark. I am not even sure you understand that this thread isn't even about the 115 case.

Nobody in the media has ever told me what angle to take - be it pro or anti City and City are NOT only one situation I am asked about. On APT when everyone was claiming City taking on the PL was the end of football, I was the single person in the media explaining it was nothing of the sort and that if rules are unlawful, it should be uncontroversial that they are changed (eg and ).

Furthermore, almost every comment on Youtube is that I am literally paid by City and completely biased to City.

So maybe it is simply your ignorance or bias that means you can't comprehend objectivity.

But honestly, just fuck off. Stop talking about my views when you don't even understand them.
 
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Nightmare Walking said:
Stefan is entitled to his opinion and I don't begrudge him making money out of his knowledge and experience.

I would also rather he was being honest, even if it goes against the best interests of the club.

But if an external journalist had said he did not think City would win and then after the initial verdict said it was not a significant victory. Every person on this board, rightly or wrongly would say he was just a paid shill for talk sport. If then he then suggested it was still not a significant victory after yesterday's news and it was the Premier League who had won the significant and big victories. Everyone on this board would be saying the journalist was clueless. Just look at the reaction to Rob Drapers comments. If City fans were to then query such a journalist in a non confrontational and reasonable manner and the journalist told the fans to fuck off. Every person on this forum would laugh the journalist out of town and would not take him seriously again.

No one has done that with Stefan. Hes not a jouralist but an expert in these topics. He has been given a platform to air his views and people are unsure about them as the mood seems to be extremely different to everything which seems to being fed through media channels. It's gone from City losing, to City winning big. Considering the anti City stance by most in the media through this episode. This is a huge shift.

Now Stefans view has not changed, he has in fact doubled down on it. For us who are not as informed, it does not seem to make any sense. I have absolutely no idea how Stefan benefits from his media profile but surely you have to question what someone's motives are when they go totally against what everyone else says, even when everyone else does a 180. If Stefan had said that before this clarification from the tribunal, the Premier League had scored some big victories, but City had come out winners by a slight margin. Yet, now that the Premier League has clarified its position it looks like City have emerged as big winners. No one would have questioned his initial assessment. That would not have made him wrong. But he still seems to be suggesting it's just a slight win when everything else seems to be suggesting otherwise. Then, instead of being able to clarify his views in a way us mere mortals understand. He has in my opinion done it in a patronising manner, which just gets people's back up.

I don't think anyone has disagreed with him. They have just not understood where he is coming from, considering his views seem totally against the mood music coming from the club and the media.
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It’s not a slight win. Stefan is wrong.

It’s a severe bumming for the PL and a big win for us.

Let’s just move on and fucking enjoy it eh blues?
 
johnny crossan said:
OS Statement? Can't find it on there.
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Remember when news used to be just that and based on facts without editorials?

A very unusual report here from Sky then.

This stands out for those reasons noted above. Nice to see.

It must have killed them to do so lol.
 
JASR said:
He's brilliant at going undercover at City away games, being in the away end, celebrating when City score.
I think that's really going the extra mile to demonstrate excellent dedication to convincing City supporters that he's not a City supporter...

NB I don't know Stefan from Adam & Eve, but I've seen his posts on X, with pics from the crowd of City Home & Away games, it's a massive stretch to even contemplate 'supposed'
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I had a season ticket from 1982 for the record (clearly not there every week these days as live in London). I've seen it all - good and bad.
 
slbsn said:
Questioning my "motives". For the 4th time, fuck off.

For the record, I've explained multiple times. If you can write this essay, you can understand what I wrote and what the decision itself says.
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I wasn't speaking to you you and I was not conversing with you.

I apologise profusely if your media profile does not benefit you in any way. But if it does, surely you can understand why people would question your opinion when it goes against what the club and now the rest of the media are suggesting. If you don't understand why people would be questioning your assessments considering your media profile, then you exhibit a complete lack of self awareness.

Nothing in my last post deserves being told to fuck off. It was perfectly fair. You carry on if it makes you feel better.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
Stefan is entitled to his opinion and I don't begrudge him making money out of his knowledge and experience.

I would also rather he was being honest, even if it goes against the best interests of the club.

But if an external journalist had said he did not think City would win and then after the initial verdict said it was not a significant victory. Every person on this board, rightly or wrongly would say he was just a paid shill for talk sport. If then he then suggested it was still not a significant victory after yesterday's news and it was the Premier League who had won the significant and big victories. Everyone on this board would be saying the journalist was clueless. Just look at the reaction to Rob Drapers comments. If City fans were to then query such a journalist in a non confrontational and reasonable manner and the journalist told the fans to fuck off. Every person on this forum would laugh the journalist out of town and would not take him seriously again.

No one has done that with Stefan. Hes not a jouralist but an expert in these topics. He has been given a platform to air his views and people are unsure about them as the mood seems to be extremely different to everything which seems to being fed through media channels. It's gone from City losing, to City winning big. Considering the anti City stance by most in the media through this episode. This is a huge shift.

Now Stefans view has not changed, he has in fact doubled down on it. For us who are not as informed, it does not seem to make any sense. I have absolutely no idea how Stefan benefits from his media profile but surely you have to question what someone's motives are when they go totally against what everyone else says, even when everyone else does a 180. If Stefan had said that before this clarification from the tribunal, the Premier League had scored some big victories, but City had come out winners by a slight margin. Yet, now that the Premier League has clarified its position it looks like City have emerged as big winners. No one would have questioned his initial assessment. That would not have made him wrong. But he still seems to be suggesting it's just a slight win when everything else seems to be suggesting otherwise. Then, instead of being able to clarify his views in a way us mere mortals understand. He has in my opinion done it in a patronising manner, which just gets people's back up.

I don't think anyone has disagreed with him. They have just not understood where he is coming from, considering his views seem totally against the mood music coming from the club and the media.
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Fuck off.

(Sorry, couldn’t resist)
 
Nightmare Walking said:
I wasn't speaking to you you and I was not conversing with you.

I apologise profusely if your media profile does not benefit you in any way. But if it does, surely you can understand why people would question your opinion when it goes against what the club and now the rest of the media are suggesting. If you don't understand why people would be questioning your assessments considering your media profile, then you exhibit a complete lack of self awareness.

Nothing in my last post deserves being told to fuck off. It was perfectly fair. You carry on if it makes you feel better.
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If you keep questioning my motives and other comments about my integrity then I will keep responding (if I see it).
 
117 M34 said:
If we win the APT2 case, won't they just bring out APT3 and we end up in a never ending court case?
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If we win they will draft an APT3 , but I very much doubt those in charge now will be those doing any drafting. My opinion though is the sensible thing to do would be to just copy and past the UEFA ones which as far as I can see would simplify everything, and be implementing rules as far as I can see we seem happy with.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Very gracious of you to assume that the rest of the Premier League care whether the rules are lawful or not. I think the vote in November shows that they couldn't care less whether they're lawful or not, they just want to stop us and Newcastle from taking their place (too late on that one).
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I was making a point.
 
blueparrot said:
If we win they will draft an APT3 , but I very much doubt those in charge now will be those doing any drafting. My opinion though is the sensible thing to do would be to just copy and past the UEFA ones which as far as I can see would simplify everything, and be implementing rules as far as I can see we seem happy with.
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The PL want broader restrictions than UEFA. That is the point of APT.
 
slbsn said:
The PL want broader restrictions than UEFA. That is the point of APT.
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Yes, I realise that, the UEFA thing was just my opinion of what would be much better only having one set of rules to adhere to.Though I suppose if you follow the tougher rules the others follow with worrying about them.
 
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