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City strikers
- Thread starter mancjess
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r.soleofsalford said:John.des said:gangerolv said:i think so.
he is always full of energy and passion. find it strange mancini never favours him. people dont know how good he really is. full of passion and heart. never gives up. big and strong lad.
-- Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:51 am --
heres his twitter account
<a class="postlink" href="https://twitter.com/superguidetti" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://twitter.com/superguidetti</a>
Mancini will never give chance to Guidetti until we have 4 other strikers all on over 100k-150k-200k/week wages.
He is a 5th striker and I dont think he would feature this season apart from Carling Cup if he had not been injured since summer.
Balotelli is 4th striker so for Guidetti to play we would need even bigger rotation. Not the way to solve the bad form of our strikers.
ffs. the days when we or any prem team could bring players straight in from the reserves are over. he has to go to a mid to lower table prem team on loans and show us his worth, when he eventually gets fit enough to play
Well I am not against Guidetti rate him highly and his Feyenoord spell was fantastic (what else we want from a loaned out striker than scoring 20 goals in a decent team?) but Guidetti's chance for City this year were gone when we opted not to sell any of our 4 first team strikers to make Guidetti the 4th striker.
Dont think his injury played a part here because cant imagine Mancini saying " ohh Guidetti is fit well now we can sell Dzeko or Balo we have Guidetti here".
Of course never giving chance to youngsters is not the way forward for City.
Still think we could have keep Weiss and use him instead of Sinclair. Weiss was home grown as well, so counted in the home grown quota. And what Sinclair provides us thats not more than what Weiss would be able to do. Sitting on the bench 99% of the time actually.
BlakeTheBlue
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It's very simple really...
This is what happens when you have 4 top class big name strikers who will all demand game time. Mancini is shit scared to pick his best 2 (Tevez, Aguero) every week because Balotelli and Dzeko just won't have it. They will kick up a shit storm and cause disruption.
Because of this there is no cohesion and no chance our best pairng can get a flow going. We have a great prospect in Guidetti. Sell Dzeko and Balotelli... with the scoring potential we have in the midfield (Nasri, Yaya, Silva, Milner, Sinclair can all score goals if utilized correctly) we don't need 4. Tevez, Aguero, Guidetti will do just fine.
This is what happens when you have 4 top class big name strikers who will all demand game time. Mancini is shit scared to pick his best 2 (Tevez, Aguero) every week because Balotelli and Dzeko just won't have it. They will kick up a shit storm and cause disruption.
Because of this there is no cohesion and no chance our best pairng can get a flow going. We have a great prospect in Guidetti. Sell Dzeko and Balotelli... with the scoring potential we have in the midfield (Nasri, Yaya, Silva, Milner, Sinclair can all score goals if utilized correctly) we don't need 4. Tevez, Aguero, Guidetti will do just fine.
BlakeTheBlue said:It's very simple really...
This is what happens when you have 4 top class big name strikers who will all demand game time. Mancini is shit scared to pick his best 2 (Tevez, Aguero) every week because Balotelli and Dzeko just won't have it. They will kick up a shit storm and cause disruption.
Because of this there is no cohesion and no chance our best pairng can get a flow going. We have a great prospect in Guidetti. Sell Dzeko and Balotelli... with the scoring potential we have in the midfield (Nasri, Yaya, Silva, Milner, Sinclair can all score goals if utilized correctly) we don't need 4. Tevez, Aguero, Guidetti will do just fine.
so you think City will sell at least one striker in Jan?
with the scoring potential we have in the midfield (Nasri, Yaya, Silva, Milner, Sinclair can all score goals if utilized correctly)
Yeah if utilized correctly. I think we hace seen many good player not utilized correctly under Mancini especially attacking players. Even Milner doestn have a position. Plays little bit of everything. Yaya plays anywhere in the middle deeper, higher up, in the middle. Nasri was best for Arsenal in a certain role he doesnt have that role here. Sinclair has scored goals at Swansea he surely could score goals here two with better partners in a more dominant team. That would be the logic thinking. Hardly ever plays tho.
Playing to your players strengths or buying player whose main strengths are what needed in the team are key things for manager. We are making mistakes in both things.
John.des said:None of them is in form. Thats the basic line everyone can agree with it, right?
Which is the best pair out of it, what is the best partnership? Well opinions are different on this. Agüero-Tevez? If it is why the hell they dont start together more often. How can Mancini keep this constant rotation between strikers. He is doing it from fear, he maybe thinks if he keeps Balo/Dzeko on the bench too many times they will hate him.
Looked back just last 10 matches who started in consecutive matches:
WHU: Dzeko-Tevez
Ajax: Agüero-Tevez
Spurs: Agüero-Tevez
Villa: Agüero-Tevez
Madrid: Agüero-Dzeko
Chelsea: Agüero-Dzeko
Wigan: Balo-Agüero
Everton: Dzeko-Tevez
Dortmund: Dzeko-Agüero
United: Balo-Agüero
We could go back further matches the same constant rotating. Mancini thinks he will find a partnership just once but that doesnt work like that.
Constant rotating is the reason too that none of our strikers could get into from. But not the opnly reason because Agüero starts most if the time between strikers and his form was pretty bad in the Spurs match he scored in that match but he missed sitters, his first touch cost us chances. Since than he is the same he missed lot chances, cant solve simple situations etc.
One thing is sure the leading top scorers are playing for their club week in week out. Cavani, Falcao, Suarez, RVP, Gómez (Bayern).
We can be pretty sure even Michu at Swansea wouldnt score 12 goals this season if he would be on the bench after his every good performance.
When we had a striker in from earlier Mancini started to put him on the bench. It happened with Dzeko last year.
This year he scored two goals against Villa and then he didnt start for 3 matches. Balotelli played well vs. Wigan, scored our first goal maybe was on track to gain some momentum next time he is on the bench.
If Agüero finds his way back to goalscoring and puts in a double vs. Newcastle he will be on bench vs.Reading? If it happens to Dzeko or Balo is even more possible...
But as I said its not only rotation. Mancini doesnt know his best eleven, also his best striker partnership. Tevez coming back created a huge problem for him in rotation. Also the way we play is completely not the way we should play with strikers like Dzeko, Balo. It is more suited to Agüero and Tevez. And still the way Mancini is tinkering with the strikers is unreal.
None of them is in form but when one of them would just gain the momentum maybe they go to the bench.
And to give some excuses to the strikers:
the way Nasri and Silva cant feed them with chances is horrible. They are creative players who should set up goals with good passes. They dont do that. That's not a set up if you toss the ball to the striker with his back to the goal and 20-25 metres from goal with 2-3 defenders on him.
That's the support our stikers get these days and from that all they can do maybe run into the box like Agüero but from that they lose the ball, pass the ball to opponent or finish with a bad shot from bad position with a defender on his neck.
Our fullbacks also rarely going up and help with good crosses. Look at Rafael yesterday, small interplay Valencia and Rafael a simple cross into the box Rooney comes and 2-0 to them.
Nasri, Silva dont make crosses, or very rarely only, Zabba/Clichy their crossing is not great Clichy had maybe one better cross yesterday. (Balo missed that, Rooney or RVP would probably score that one.)
we have various pairs, most of them worked effectively last season
but this season, our manager is missing a point
I haven't read all the replies so this may have been said already: it's not the strikers that are the problem, it's the midfield. There aren't enough useful crosses and/or passes by the midfield + all 4 of them are too often being used in the midfield themselves. Silva is in bad form, Yaya is not even half the man he was last year and Nasri... LOL Nasri! The rest aren't creative anyway and are mostly useless up front.
Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko and Balo would score 50 each if they were in Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona or any other top team with TOP midfielders.
Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko and Balo would score 50 each if they were in Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona or any other top team with TOP midfielders.
Atebash said:I haven't read all the replies so this may have been said already: it's not the strikers that are the problem, it's the midfield. There aren't enough useful crosses and/or passes by the midfield + all 4 of them are too often being used in the midfield themselves. Silva is in bad form, Yaya is not even half the man he was last year and Nasri... LOL Nasri! The rest aren't creative anyway and are mostly useless up front.
Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko and Balo would score 50 each if they were in Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona or any other top team with TOP midfielders.
Denis Suarez could replace Silva... oh that injury
Karim Rerik said he was in the squad yesterday. why wasn't he selected? Did anyone see him play?