City v Newcastle, Carling Cup - Post Match Thread

[The_Maverick]

bad spells can happen but what's worrying is Pellegrini doesn't seem to recognise the problems. He keeps coming out post match and saying we were unlucky or we created enough chances to win etc etc. Of course, this may just be a front for the media and i certainly hope so but each week he seems to stick with the same plan that so clearly isn't working for us.

4-4-2 just isn't working whatsoever. it's plain for everybody to see. The few games we've played alright this season we've played 4-5-1. 4-4-2 relies too heavily on wide players getting in good crosses, and having players in the box to get on the end of them. We rarely have more than 1 player in the box and we don't put in many crosses at all. The formation is far too rigid and it feels like we're cramming players into un-natural positions i.e Silva which causes further problems defensively.

opposition players can telegraph our play 2-3 passes ahead and can comfortably defend against it. Our play at the moment consists of the ball going out to the fullback, who squeezes it to the winger ahead of him. Then that winger is stuck with little space and no options so he goes back, yaya will usually pick the ball up, stand still for 4-5 seconds then spray it to the other side where we do exactly the same thing again. This is repeated continuously until we can either inch forward enough to get a corner or we get pressured into launching the ball forward and inevitably lose it.

We need to revert back to 4-5-1, it allows Silva to play his natural game which is critical to all our play and it allows some of the other midfielders a bit more freedom to interchange and actually move into space. It obviously offers a bit more protection for our shambles of a defence and we seem to play with a quicker tempo too which is severely lacking at the moment.

I've ranted on enough now so i won't even get on to our defending, i will just say however that we're never going to get it right defensively as a unit if we continuously rotate 3/4 of our defenders every single game. We need a sustained period with a first choice back 4 to allow them to develop a proper understanding.

Good luck fishing.

Need a spare net?

 

[aguero93:20]

Both. Plus guardiola and Mancini for me. Starting to look like pellegrini has lost the players a bit just as Mancini allegedly did. No shape no heart no pace.

So Mancini lost the players but he's the solution?

Maybe not, but Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho would all be an improvement IMHO

Klopp? Go take a look at the Bundesliga. I like him but he's got a lot to learn. As for the other two....

 

[aguero93:20]

You asked who I thought was better. I think Mancini is tactically better. I don't think he lost the key players like yaya silva or aguero. Too often pellers gets found out and on Europe we look pathetic. Lose Sunday and I won't be the only one questioning him.

I love Mancini. But by all accounts, not the manager to motivate our players.

 

[chesterbells]

So Mancini lost the players but he's the solution?

Maybe not, but Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho would all be an improvement IMHO

Klopp? Go take a look at the Bundesliga. I like him but he's got a lot to learn. As for the other two....

It seems that Pellegrini has a lot to learn as well, but is he learning it? 4 wins in last 12 games suggests not. I'd take Klopp, yes.

 

[aguero93:20]

Maybe not, but Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho would all be an improvement IMHO

Klopp? Go take a look at the Bundesliga. I like him but he's got a lot to learn. As for the other two....

It seems that Pellegrini has a lot to learn as well, but is he learning it? 4 wins in last 12 games suggests not. I'd take Klopp, yes.

I think Klopp has 2 in 12. Relegation battle in the Bundesliga atm. I did tell you to look.

 

[chesterbells]

Klopp? Go take a look at the Bundesliga. I like him but he's got a lot to learn. As for the other two....

It seems that Pellegrini has a lot to learn as well, but is he learning it? 4 wins in last 12 games suggests not. I'd take Klopp, yes.

I think Klopp has 2 in 12. Relegation battle in the Bundesliga atm. I did tell you to look.

Yes, very good. But it's not just that for me, it's the players both managers are working with, and their potential. I assume you aren't suggesting if we had started this season with Klopp in charge he would have us in a 2 in 12 relegation battle. Neither of us can know, but I can only offer my view he wouldn't, and that more generally, I would rather have someone i see as a more dynamic, tactically astute & flexible, and charismatic man leading our players.

 

[aguero93:20]

It seems that Pellegrini has a lot to learn as well, but is he learning it? 4 wins in last 12 games suggests not. I'd take Klopp, yes.

I think Klopp has 2 in 12. Relegation battle in the Bundesliga atm. I did tell you to look.

Yes, very good. But it's not just that for me, it's the players both managers are working with, and their potential. I assume you aren't suggesting if we had started this season with Klopp in charge he would have us in a 2 in 12 relegation battle. Neither of us can know, but I can only offer my view he wouldn't, and that more generally, I would rather have someone i see as a more dynamic, tactically astute & flexible, and charismatic man leading our players.

Give it a break, Dortmund have a fucking great team. Now you're just being arrogant.

 

[chesterbells]

I think Klopp has 2 in 12. Relegation battle in the Bundesliga atm. I did tell you to look.

Yes, very good. But it's not just that for me, it's the players both managers are working with, and their potential. I assume you aren't suggesting if we had started this season with Klopp in charge he would have us in a 2 in 12 relegation battle. Neither of us can know, but I can only offer my view he wouldn't, and that more generally, I would rather have someone i see as a more dynamic, tactically astute & flexible, and charismatic man leading our players.

Give it a break, Dortmund have a fucking great team. Now you're just being arrogant.

I'm not saying they haven't got great players. I'm saying we have better, although the better pre-date Pellegrini.
Anyway, I'm sure you'll get your wish and we'll Carry On with Pellegrini. And of course you're right; 4 in 12 is much better than 2 in 12.

 

[aguero93:20]

Yes, very good. But it's not just that for me, it's the players both managers are working with, and their potential. I assume you aren't suggesting if we had started this season with Klopp in charge he would have us in a 2 in 12 relegation battle. Neither of us can know, but I can only offer my view he wouldn't, and that more generally, I would rather have someone i see as a more dynamic, tactically astute & flexible, and charismatic man leading our players.

Give it a break, Dortmund have a fucking great team. Now you're just being arrogant.

I'm not saying they haven't got great players. I'm saying we have better, although the better pre-date Pellegrini.
Anyway, I'm sure you'll get your wish and we'll Carry On with Pellegrini. And of course you're right; 4 in 12 is much better than 2 in 12.

Have we got better? That's down to opinion. As I said, you're being an arrogant prick. As for much better, it's no worse, after going further in the CL last year and with a higher net spend.

 

[kun]

Maybe not, but Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho would all be an improvement IMHO

Klopp? Go take a look at the Bundesliga. I like him but he's got a lot to learn. As for the other two....

It seems that Pellegrini has a lot to learn as well, but is he learning it? 4 wins in last 12 games suggests not. I'd take Klopp, yes.

Is Klopp? He's gone from Champions League finalist to Bundesliga relegation battle.