Citys quest to become new barca

Re: Txiki tells Mancini to adopt Barca style!!

I think there's something in all of our teams adopting a similar way of playing from top to bottom. Having said that the first team manager has to have control. Our system used in Europe is where we seem to have struggled.
 
Re: Txiki tells Mancini to adopt Barca style!!

I have decided that I am just going to enjoy the present. The future is beyond my influence and if it all goes wrong I will be there again when we are ***t. Thats if we exist!!
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Tevez City said:
Regarding the Barca style, I think City have the most components apart from Messi

Valdez - Hart

Alves- Richards
Pique - Nastasic
Puyol- Kompany
Alba- Clichy


Busquets- Yaya
Xavi - Nasri
Iniesta - Silva


Sanchez- Tevez
Pedro - Aguero
Messi - ?
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looks a good team, but our team without someone like barry in just isnt as good. I think the system we have now is perfect with the right balance, why change that jsut because barca do it.
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If La Liga had teams like Stoke in it, I think that starting elevens like this one would go straight out of the window.
 
It's funny hoe some take this as a threat to Mancini's job.

These guys have come in to implement a long term strategy for this football club.

A top class manager/coach should be able to work with the model. I like the way these guy are getting on with their jobs quietly.
 
Just go 4-5-1. That's the Barca way. We can get to dogged down by the numbers/formation theory, but the secret of a successful team is that ALL players are comfortable on the ball and can hold it and pass it to a team mate without hardly thinking about it, and when the ball IS lost, then the players should ALL dig in to get it back. But if numerical formation really is important, then 4-5-1 has it all. The midfield five can be as offensive or as defensive as you like, and as long as we have a solid four at the back in each game, then it won't matter in the least whether we are at home to Wigan or away at a place like Stoke because we have the resources to control the midfield in games where there will be a vast difference in the capabilities of the opposition.
 
Surely Mancini worked under a DoF at Inter? Just becuase he doesn't get on with Marwood doesn't mean he couldn't work with Txiki. Just saying a formation is meaningless anyway, we nominally play 4-2-3-1 but half the time it's 4-2-4 or 4-4-2. It's all about the players and the roles the manager gives them.
 
4-3-3 - that's a wrecking ball right through this team, then.

We don't have the pace nor fitness to go from attack to defence at present.

4-3-3 is even more so about application and mentality than any other.

As for Mancini, I don't subscribe to that theory he can't accept a Director of Football. There are a lot of management tier systems in Italian football, and that's before any owner also pokes their nose in.

I think Mancini needs to trust and respect the people making vital decisions that impact him directly.

I suppose we saw at Newcastle and Norwich, a shift towards an attacking front three when Nasri went wide right.

Sadly, think it would see Yaya left totally exposed unless he gets someone who can run all day at pace and can recycle the ball.

I still like 3-5-2 like Juventus, but we would need another player such as Nasty who is comfortable enough on the ball to play alongside him and Vinny.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
As for Mancini, I don't subscribe to that theory he can't accept a Director of Football. There are a lot of management tier systems in Italian football, and that's before any owner also pokes their nose in.

I think Mancini needs to trust and respect the people making vital decisions that impact him directly.
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Agreed, though if the DoF tries to impose something he really doesn't agree with - even if he respects the man - there will be fireworks.

I suppose we saw at Newcastle and Norwich, a shift towards an attacking front three when Nasri went wide right.

Sadly, think it would see Yaya left totally exposed unless he gets someone who can run all day at pace and can recycle the ball.
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So a player like Ramires, then?
 
Braggster said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
As for Mancini, I don't subscribe to that theory he can't accept a Director of Football. There are a lot of management tier systems in Italian football, and that's before any owner also pokes their nose in.

I think Mancini needs to trust and respect the people making vital decisions that impact him directly.
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Agreed, though if the DoF tries to impose something he really doesn't agree with - even if he respects the man - there will be fireworks.

I suppose we saw at Newcastle and Norwich, a shift towards an attacking front three when Nasri went wide right.

Sadly, think it would see Yaya left totally exposed unless he gets someone who can run all day at pace and can recycle the ball.
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So a player like Ramires, then?
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Exactly like Ramires. Unfortunately, I think he's taken. Gerrard in his pomp would also have done the trick.
 
Yeah, sadly you're right, I wasn't suggesting we could get him! Fantastic player, Ramires, wish we'd bought him when he was on the market.

Wonder what other options are out there? I'm hoping Txiki will find us a gem or two.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Braggster said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
As for Mancini, I don't subscribe to that theory he can't accept a Director of Football. There are a lot of management tier systems in Italian football, and that's before any owner also pokes their nose in.

I think Mancini needs to trust and respect the people making vital decisions that impact him directly.
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Agreed, though if the DoF tries to impose something he really doesn't agree with - even if he respects the man - there will be fireworks.

I suppose we saw at Newcastle and Norwich, a shift towards an attacking front three when Nasri went wide right.

Sadly, think it would see Yaya left totally exposed unless he gets someone who can run all day at pace and can recycle the ball.
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So a player like Ramires, then?
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Exactly like Ramires. Unfortunately, I think he's taken. Gerrard in his pomp would also have done the trick.
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I honestly think milner used in the middle could fill this role easily, hes been great the past few weeks.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
4-3-3 - that's a wrecking ball right through this team, then.

We don't have the pace nor fitness to go from attack to defence at present.

4-3-3 is even more so about application and mentality than any other.

As for Mancini, I don't subscribe to that theory he can't accept a Director of Football. There are a lot of management tier systems in Italian football, and that's before any owner also pokes their nose in.

I think Mancini needs to trust and respect the people making vital decisions that impact him directly.

I suppose we saw at Newcastle and Norwich, a shift towards an attacking front three when Nasri went wide right.

Sadly, think it would see Yaya left totally exposed unless he gets someone who can run all day at pace and can recycle the ball.

I still like 3-5-2 like Juventus, but we would need another player such as Nasty who is comfortable enough on the ball to play alongside him and Vinny.
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good points.

i'd like to see zabs next to kompany and richards wing back when he's fit.

obviously nasty other side with clichy wb.
 
NQCitizen said:
Tevez City said:
Regarding the Barca style, I think City have the most components apart from Messi

Valdez - Hart

Alves- Richards
Pique - Nastasic
Puyol- Kompany
Alba- Clichy


Busquets- Yaya
Xavi - Nasri
Iniesta - Silva


Sanchez- Tevez
Pedro - Aguero
Messi - ?

Maybe Suarez or Neymar for Messi ? :P
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The problem with this being Yaya isn't a great dm, nasri isnt used as the passing playmaker, Richards doesn't have a great cross or shot and the most important player by a mile we don't have anything comparable to. Also Tevez isn't particularly fast or direct.
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That's ok because neither does Alves.
 
bfastblue85 said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Braggster said:
Agreed, though if the DoF tries to impose something he really doesn't agree with - even if he respects the man - there will be fireworks.



So a player like Ramires, then?
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Exactly like Ramires. Unfortunately, I think he's taken. Gerrard in his pomp would also have done the trick.
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I honestly think milner used in the middle could fill this role easily, hes been great the past few weeks.
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Milner is a great workhorse, just isn't good enough technically.
 
Never been spoken about says Mancini

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moomba said:
Never been spoken about says Mancini

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No surprise with the British press. No quotes in the story and its just another made up story
 
Only very quickly scanned the article, but I think it likely that we're talking there about establishing a clear system for the academy/youth set-up with the aim of (more or less gradually) bringing this to bear for the first team?

Either way, and leaving aside the whole DoF discussion, I don't think that switching from the way we currently play to a more 4-3-3-like system would necessarily involve wholesale changes. With our current players, for example, we could easily play the usual back 5, plus:

----------Barry----------
------Yaya-----Nasri-----
--Silva---Aguero---Tevez

Not a patch on Barca, but there's no way we could be when they've got Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. In fact, if you could cherry pick a World XI (non-Barca), I'm still not sure you could get a side that, playing in that system, would be as good as them.
 
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