Classless Mourinho

[ilovefotball]

Shame he's not that intelligent.

I don't think that's correct. He's immensely intelligent, it's more common sense and decency that he lacks.

His sole focus at the moment is on finishing above one of the best club sides to ever take to the field. He knows he can't out-football them and he needs to knock them out of their comfort zone. His players will jump through hoops for him and he builds a 'us against the world' mentality which should sound familiar to a United fan. He's a born winner who really doesn't care who he upsets. He's described as 'classless' in the op but I'd say 'ruthless' would be a better word to describe him. When he first took over at Madrid they were a million miles away from Barca and now I wouldn't bet against Real winning the league this year. This is what you get when you hire Mourinho. People know about the baggage he brings before they hire him, but they accept it because he's the best in the business.

Not true at all. The season before Mourinho was appointed as a Real Madrid manager, manuel Pellegrini got the Job.
He then signed Kaka, Ronaldo, Alonso and Benzema. This season Real Madrid finished with 96 points in the league, more than Mourinho's team. That season they were extremly unlucky(bad finishing by Derenthe) to lose against Barca in Camp Nou by 1-0 and in Madrid he actually played to win the game unlike Mourinho and got thrased 6-2 as Mourinho's 5-0 loss.

He did all this in his first season, when half of his team were new and needed time to settle and play together. He finished just 3 points off Barca and that too with attacking flair and without Mourinho's antics.

When Mourinho took over, the Madrid team was allready taking the shape and he just needed few signings to improve it. If Pellegrini was given one more year with 6 clasicos to experiment his tactics, i won't bet against his team come off better than Mourinho's team.

 

[Soulboy]

It's pretty laborious for me to elaborate on. PM, then we'll post the conclusion on the thread?

I look forward to that.

Mourinho not intelligent? I would suggest he's very intelligent and always knows what he is doing.

I can't wait to see your justification for him not being intelligent!

Ugh, please read the original post again and think before you type! He's not as intelligent as he is a good manager. I'm suggesting that the disparity between his coaching/managerial ability and his intelligence is great.

Okay numbnuts... explain how he is not intelligent?

Stop talking through your arse just to get a reaction.

You've stopped being quirky and now you're just clueless.

 

[Bill]

I was saying the same yesterday , thankfully we have Mancini.

i've always been a jose fan but he definatley has lost his marbles, i posted once that i'd love him here(if bobby walked) but he isn't worth the baggage.well he's gone worse since and as said i think we are very lucky to have mancini, weird tactics at times but class on and off the field.

Do you honestly think Mancini is better than Mourinho?

If Mourinho was with us, i think we would walk the title.

no, i think mourinio is a fantastic manager, i just think his antics have made him almost unenployable and would rather have mancini associated with our club.

 

[zangatangring]

I look forward to that.

Mourinho not intelligent? I would suggest he's very intelligent and always knows what he is doing.

I can't wait to see your justification for him not being intelligent!

Ugh, please read the original post again and think before you type! He's not as intelligent as he is a good manager. I'm suggesting that the disparity between his coaching/managerial ability and his intelligence is great.

Okay numbnuts... explain how he is not intelligent?

Stop talking through your arse just to get a reaction.

You've stopped being quirky and now you're just clueless.

Are you an idiot? Honestly...... Jeez, you're certainly not worth my time. no offence intended.

 

[Bnblue]

He's been a winner where ever he's gone, but now he's not having it he's own way he's showing his true colours and they ain't pretty. Would have liked him at our club before his Spanish adventure but not now.

And Barca are not totally blameless all the shit between both clubs has been awful and they should all hang their heads, if this is football at it's highest level then for shame.

 

[Aguero is my king]

I don't think that's correct. He's immensely intelligent, it's more common sense and decency that he lacks.

His sole focus at the moment is on finishing above one of the best club sides to ever take to the field. He knows he can't out-football them and he needs to knock them out of their comfort zone. His players will jump through hoops for him and he builds a 'us against the world' mentality which should sound familiar to a United fan. He's a born winner who really doesn't care who he upsets. He's described as 'classless' in the op but I'd say 'ruthless' would be a better word to describe him. When he first took over at Madrid they were a million miles away from Barca and now I wouldn't bet against Real winning the league this year. This is what you get when you hire Mourinho. People know about the baggage he brings before they hire him, but they accept it because he's the best in the business.

Not true at all. The season before Mourinho was appointed as a Real Madrid manager, manuel Pellegrini got the Job.
He then signed Kaka, Ronaldo, Alonso and Benzema. This season Real Madrid finished with 96 points in the league, more than Mourinho's team. That season they were extremly unlucky(bad finishing by Derenthe) to lose against Barca in Camp Nou by 1-0 and in Madrid he actually played to win the game unlike Mourinho and got thrased 6-2 as Mourinho's 5-0 loss.

He did all this in his first season, when half of his team were new and needed time to settle and play together. He finished just 3 points off Barca and that too with attacking flair and without Mourinho's antics.

When Mourinho took over, the Madrid team was allready taking the shape and he just needed few signings to improve it. If Pellegrini was given one more year with 6 clasicos to experiment his tactics, i won't bet against his team come off better than Mourinho's team.

Pellegrinis sacking had nothing to do with how he did in the league as I think you know. It was because of yet another poor performance in Europe which for a team of Madrids pedigree is not acceptable. Mourinho has again proved that he can get to the later stages of European cups and if it wasn't for yet more outrageous decisions from a UEFA referee then Madrid would have been in with a brilliant shout of qualifying.for the final. 2 out of 3 times Mourinho has won the champions league in his second year in charge of a club. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same at Real.

-- Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:38 pm --

It's pretty laborious for me to elaborate on. PM, then we'll post the conclusion on the thread?

I look forward to that.

Mourinho not intelligent? I would suggest he's very intelligent and always knows what he is doing.

I can't wait to see your justification for him not being intelligent!

Ugh, please read the original post again and think before you type! He's not as intelligent as he is a good manager. I'm suggesting that the disparity between his coaching/managerial ability and his intelligence is great.

Your original sentence in no way alluded to that. If that is what you meant you worded it very badly as you can probably tell by the reactions you got correcting you. Obviously the disparity between his intelligence and managerial ability is great, that goes without saying. He is the best manager in the world and unless he is the most intelligent person in the world the intelligence/ managerial abilities aren't equal. I think that applies to every single manager who has reached a high level though. I suspect thats not what you meant originally though as it has absolutely nothing to do with anything in the argument and it goes without saying for every manager at a top club. I think you're saying that as a get out clause when you realised what an idiotic thing it was to say that he lacked intelligence.

 

[ilovefotball]

Pellegrinis sacking had nothing to do with how he did in the league as I think you know. It was because of yet another poor performance in Europe which for a team of Madrids pedigree is not acceptable. Mourinho has again proved that he can get to the later stages of European cups and if it wasn't for yet more outrageous decisions from a UEFA referee then Madrid would have been in with a brilliant shout of qualifying.for the final. 2 out of 3 times Mourinho has won the champions league in his second year in charge of a club. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same at Real.

I agree his sacking had nothing to do with the league result. Same way his sacking had nothing to do with CL results. The improvement on that Madid team was there for all to see. Mourinho had just won the CL beating Barca in semis and he was available in the market. So, Madrid board thought he is the only one to beat Barca, can win them CL instantly and at the same time were afraid of losing on him if they don't sign him before another club.

The decision of the refree against Madrid is debetable and you will get people arguing for both sides. But if you go by same logic, Inter and Mourinho wouldn't have even beaten Barca if it was not for some outrageous refreeing against them(Militio's offside goal, Bojan's perfectly valid goal disallowed). Whatever happened is a history and we can't go on and bring the past to make our points more valid, anyway the discussion here was not about Barca and Madrid. The argument is Mourinho taking off the Madrid team mililes away from Barca and making them almost as good as Barca today, which i disagreed. I have given the reasons why that Madrid team he took off from Pellegrini was not bad at all and they might have progressed similary with Pellegrini as they have today without Mourinho's unsportmanship and antics.

 

[Aguero is my king]

Pellegrinis sacking had nothing to do with how he did in the league as I think you know. It was because of yet another poor performance in Europe which for a team of Madrids pedigree is not acceptable. Mourinho has again proved that he can get to the later stages of European cups and if it wasn't for yet more outrageous decisions from a UEFA referee then Madrid would have been in with a brilliant shout of qualifying.for the final. 2 out of 3 times Mourinho has won the champions league in his second year in charge of a club. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same at Real.

I agree his sacking had nothing to do with the league result. Same way his sacking had nothing to do with CL results. The improvement on that Madid team was there for all to see. Mourinho had just won the CL beating Barca in semis and he was available in the market. So, Madrid board thought he is the only one to beat Barca, can win them CL instantly and at the same time were afraid of losing on him if they don't sign him before another club.

The decision of the refree against Madrid is debetable and you will get people arguing for both sides. But if you go by same logic, Inter and Mourinho wouldn't have even beaten Barca if it was not for some outrageous refreeing against them(Militio's offside goal, Bojan's perfectly valid goal disallowed). Whatever happened is a history and we can't go on and bring the past to make our points more valid, anyway the discussion here was not about Barca and Madrid. The argument is Mourinho taking off the Madrid team mililes away from Barca and making them almost as good as Barca today, which i disagreed. I have given the reasons why that Madrid team he took off from Pellegrini was not bad at all and they might have progressed similary with Pellegrini as they have today without Mourinho's unsportmanship and antics.

The decision isn't debateable. Replays proved their was no contact. Alves should have been sent off for simulation with a second yellow card. Instead Messi was allowed to tear the back line apart without Pepe protecting them. The fact that no action was taken against Alves the same as no action was taken against Busquets the previous year suggests that Barca will keep getting away with it. Didn't UEFA hand out a 3 match ban to Eduardo when he was with Arsenal? That to me sets a precedent which they have failed to follow with regards to Barca.

The decisions with Inter - Barca evened themselves out. Inter had to play with 10 men due to yet more cheating form the despicable Busquets.

I do think Mourinho has took them a lot closer in terms of head to head. Yes they were closer in the league but other than the first match they've matched Barca blow for blow, home and away. Mourinho specialises as knockout amtches and that is where Madrid lacked against Barca when Mourinho wans't in charge.

 

[Mancio]

Pellegrinis sacking had nothing to do with how he did in the league as I think you know. It was because of yet another poor performance in Europe which for a team of Madrids pedigree is not acceptable. Mourinho has again proved that he can get to the later stages of European cups and if it wasn't for yet more outrageous decisions from a UEFA referee then Madrid would have been in with a brilliant shout of qualifying.for the final. 2 out of 3 times Mourinho has won the champions league in his second year in charge of a club. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same at Real.

I agree his sacking had nothing to do with the league result. Same way his sacking had nothing to do with CL results. The improvement on that Madid team was there for all to see. Mourinho had just won the CL beating Barca in semis and he was available in the market. So, Madrid board thought he is the only one to beat Barca, can win them CL instantly and at the same time were afraid of losing on him if they don't sign him before another club.

The decision of the refree against Madrid is debetable and you will get people arguing for both sides. But if you go by same logic, Inter and Mourinho wouldn't have even beaten Barca if it was not for some outrageous refreeing against them(Militio's offside goal, Bojan's perfectly valid goal disallowed). Whatever happened is a history and we can't go on and bring the past to make our points more valid, anyway the discussion here was not about Barca and Madrid. The argument is Mourinho taking off the Madrid team mililes away from Barca and making them almost as good as Barca today, which i disagreed. I have given the reasons why that Madrid team he took off from Pellegrini was not bad at all and they might have progressed similary with Pellegrini as they have today without Mourinho's unsportmanship and antics.

The decision isn't debateable. Replays proved their was no contact. Alves should have been sent off for simulation with a second yellow card. Instead Messi was allowed to tear the back line apart without Pepe protecting them. The fact that no action was taken against Alves the same as no action was taken against Busquets the previous year suggests that Barca will keep getting away with it. Didn't UEFA hand out a 3 match ban to Eduardo when he was with Arsenal? That to me sets a precedent which they have failed to follow with regards to Barca.

The decisions with Inter - Barca evened themselves out. Inter had to play with 10 men due to yet more cheating form the despicable Busquets.

I do think Mourinho has took them a lot closer in terms of head to head. Yes they were closer in the league but other than the first match they've matched Barca blow for blow, home and away. Mourinho specialises as knockout amtches and that is where Madrid lacked against Barca when Mourinho wans't in charge.

i hope you are joking. if he had not had the reflex to pull the leg back it to him would be truncated.

if you shoot a person you are guilty even if not hit.

 

[Aguero is my king]

I agree his sacking had nothing to do with the league result. Same way his sacking had nothing to do with CL results. The improvement on that Madid team was there for all to see. Mourinho had just won the CL beating Barca in semis and he was available in the market. So, Madrid board thought he is the only one to beat Barca, can win them CL instantly and at the same time were afraid of losing on him if they don't sign him before another club.

The decision of the refree against Madrid is debetable and you will get people arguing for both sides. But if you go by same logic, Inter and Mourinho wouldn't have even beaten Barca if it was not for some outrageous refreeing against them(Militio's offside goal, Bojan's perfectly valid goal disallowed). Whatever happened is a history and we can't go on and bring the past to make our points more valid, anyway the discussion here was not about Barca and Madrid. The argument is Mourinho taking off the Madrid team mililes away from Barca and making them almost as good as Barca today, which i disagreed. I have given the reasons why that Madrid team he took off from Pellegrini was not bad at all and they might have progressed similary with Pellegrini as they have today without Mourinho's unsportmanship and antics.

The decision isn't debateable. Replays proved their was no contact. Alves should have been sent off for simulation with a second yellow card. Instead Messi was allowed to tear the back line apart without Pepe protecting them. The fact that no action was taken against Alves the same as no action was taken against Busquets the previous year suggests that Barca will keep getting away with it. Didn't UEFA hand out a 3 match ban to Eduardo when he was with Arsenal? That to me sets a precedent which they have failed to follow with regards to Barca.

The decisions with Inter - Barca evened themselves out. Inter had to play with 10 men due to yet more cheating form the despicable Busquets.

I do think Mourinho has took them a lot closer in terms of head to head. Yes they were closer in the league but other than the first match they've matched Barca blow for blow, home and away. Mourinho specialises as knockout amtches and that is where Madrid lacked against Barca when Mourinho wans't in charge.

i hope you are joking. if he had not had the reflex to pull the leg back it to him would be truncated.

if you shoot a person you are guilty even if not hit.

He didn't pull his leg back. Alves leg got pushed back when Pepe made contact with the ball and then he decided to make the most of it. Even if in your world Pepe should have been sent off (for a ball winning challenge) then Alves should've followed as well for simulation. He went off on a stretcher ffs when it is a fact that no contact was made. It is unjustifiable and completely unsurprising that Alves was not punished retrospectively.