Climate Change is here and man made

[stonerblue]

Ten minutes research shows that global warming, er sorry, man made climate change is complete bollocks. So why does the majority of the mainstream media go along with it? Thankfully there are the odd exceptions to the rule:-

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...d-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/

Does this finally put to bed the myth that there is such a thing as the free press?

Now why would a magazine that's a homage to capitalism and US business interests print such a thing ?

 

[SWP's back]

Maybe you should give it a little more than ten minutes?

It's been a lot warmer and also a lot cooler in the last thousand years no?

 

[SWP's back]

Now why would a magazine that's a homage to capitalism and US business interests print such a thing ?

So you're saying the article is incorrect?

 

[stonerblue]

I've listened to the 'facts' from both sides of the argument. NASA scientists, profs from universities, metrology experts, charity workers in devolving countries, politicians, even Piers Corbyn! The conclusion that I have come to is that man made climate change isn't happening, natural climate change is happening all the time and there's no disputing it.
You're not going to change my opinion just as much as I'm not going to change yours.

Then don't dress your opinion up as incontrovertible fact. I asked you to produce some evidence for your conclusions pages back but you declined.

 

[stonerblue]

So you're saying the article is incorrect?

No mate. I'm saying that Forbes might just have a good reason to put a slant on the numbers due to it's love of all things profitable.

 

[Damocles]

It's been a lot warmer and also a lot cooler in the last thousand years no?

City have also scored more goals and less goals in the past 50 years. Therefore City as a club are exactly where they were 50 years ago

 

[kas_tippler]

Then don't dress your opinion up as incontrovertible fact. I asked you to produce some evidence for your conclusions pages back but you declined.

I used the term 'facts', as nobody really knows. It's an opinion, you did ask for evidence and I did say that the atmosphere is 0.5 %carbon dioxide and of that 0.5% man made carbon dioxide is 3.5%. A tiny amount, we've been lead to believe that carbon dioxide is some kind of poison but it's not! I've listened Patrick Moore, who co founded Green Peace, and what he says, again in my opinion, is correct. Part of the business I'm in is in renewable energy, which is a fantastic idea, but the grants and funding given out in the name of climate change is eyewatering. I'm all for recycling and looking after the planet but to say we have any control over climate change is wrong, again in my opinion. I respect your opinion ,shame you can't respect mine and a few others.

 

[SWP's back]

City have also scored more goals and less goals in the past 50 years. Therefore City as a club are exactly where they were 50 years ago

I don't think anyone is arguing against the climate being in flux. But it always has been and even very recently.

 

[Mike D]

The funny thing is that you probably think you've made some sort of point.

So you don't think these floods are not as a direct result of global warmings?

 

[Damocles]

I don't think anyone is arguing against the climate being in flux. But it always has been and even very recently.

I'll come back to this later hopefully, but whilst nobody argues that the climate is in flux the City analogy is that recently it has taken a massive and unprecedented step forwards that is incomprehensible to the natural order. Therefore whilst we had an influx of money that boosted us, the influx of greenhouses gases similarly boosted the global temperature.

I'd also like to point out that only the extreme crazies contend that this isn't happening; the argument tends to be in the details of how much and how much is human caused. This is a great progress for scientific discourse as now the public discourse is only 15 years behind which is rather good comparatively. Obviously excluding the science based arguments that some skeptics in this thread an elsewhere have made.