Common sense or ethically wrong

[blueparrot]

Because you just said it...?

No you’re off down one of your rabbit holes.

 

[Chippy_boy]

THEN WHY DID YOU SUGGEST IT AS AN OPTION!?

Or worse, as a defence for the continuation of cheap labour?

Because it's a viable solution for some. And I don't need to defend anything. I don't employ anyone nor set any policies. I accept that life is very hard for many people and I wish it was less hard for them.

 

[Metal Biker]

No you’re off down one of your rabbit holes.

Ok Boomer.

 

[Metal Biker]

Because it's a viable solution for some. And I don't need to defend anything. I don't employ anyone nor set any policies. I accept that life is very hard for many people and I wish it was less hard for them.

You're forgetting the other part of this argument about people just "getting a better job". What happens to the jobs they leave for something better?

No better time to post this;

 

[I'm With Stupid]

A whole generation of kids are now studying sociology, football studies, gender studies, media studies, women's studies etc., when they would otherwise be our next generation of fruit pickers, arsewipers, baristas, bouncers, and lots of other jobs that our economy needs.

Yeah, imagine paying to train people to work in the £16.18bn TV industry, $6.5bn film industry, the £21bn advertising industry, the £5bn (Premier League only) football industry. What a waste of money that'd be. Not that they're actually paying for it. The students themselves are paying for it through loans. Oh sure, that'll eventually come back on the taxpayer, but make no mistake, this government isn't paying for large numbers of people to take those courses, they're throwing that burden on the future taxpayer.

For the record, it'd be great if this forced the UK government to invest further in our own young people to fill shortages in areas such as nursing, but this is a Tory government, and a Tory government likes to run the country like a business. And no business is going to train people at great expense when they can just bring in people from abroad.

 

[Chippy_boy]

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I am not for one moment suggesting everyone on low pay CAN get a better job that pays more, but doubtless some can and will. And the market - demand for, and supply of labour - will determine pay and resulting prices.

But again, you're back to your cracked record easy fix "solution" of just "pay people more". Has this entire exchange been a COMPLETE waste of time? Did my comments about how that will make us uncompetitive mean anything at all? What about the comment about socialist countries such as Poland, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Albania, Estonia, etc - most which have had very Corbynesque policies in the past - being abject failures when it comes to provided decent levels of pay for the lowest paid? There is a reason the UK is flooded with immigrants from these countries. Our "low pay" is higher than theirs. And they adopted the sorts of policies you seem to think would work here, when time and time again history has proven they do not.

 

[Metal Biker]

I am not for one moment suggesting everyone on low pay CAN get a better job that pays more, but doubtless some can and will. And the market - demand for, and supply of labour - will determine pay and resulting prices.

But again, you're back to your cracked record easy fix "solution" of just "pay people more". Has this entire exchange been a COMPLETE waste of time? Did my comments about how that will make us uncompetitive mean anything at all? What about the comment about socialist countries such as Poland, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Albania, Estonia, etc - most which have had very Corbynesque policies in the past - being abject failures when it comes to provided decent levels of pay for the lowest paid? There is a reason the UK is flooded with immigrants from these countries. Our "low pay" is higher than theirs. And they adopted the sorts of policies you seem to think would work here, when time and time again history has proven they do not.[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously suggesting businesses cannot dip into their profits to pay their employees enough to meet living standards?

You keep saying "more" I keep saying "enough".

I don't advocate socialist economic policies, I advocate workers being paid adequately.

 

[BobKowalski]

But again, you're back to your cracked record easy fix "solution" of just "pay people more". Has this entire exchange been a COMPLETE waste of time? Did my comments about how that will make us uncompetitive mean anything at all? What about the comment about socialist countries such as Poland, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Albania, Estonia, etc - most which have had very Corbynesque policies in the past - being abject failures when it comes to provided decent levels of pay for the lowest paid? There is a reason the UK is flooded with immigrants from these countries. Our "low pay" is higher than theirs. And they adopted the sorts of policies you seem to think would work here, when time and time again history has proven they do not.

The answer is a resounding yes but it has been entertaining so all is not lost.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Are you seriously suggesting businesses cannot dip into their profits to pay their employees enough to meet living standards?

In the vast majority of cases, yes. I am suggesting that. Labour usually put people out of work, due to exactly your kind of flawed thinking.

You keep saying "more" I keep saying "enough".

I don't advocate socialist economic policies, I advocate workers being paid adequately.

"Enough" is even worse, because it is completely unconstrained by what is affordable. What if "enough" is £19/hour and would put 3m people out of work? Would you still advocate that?

"More" is at least a more reasonable aspiration, because it implies some degree of pragmatism.

 

[grunge]

Are you seriously suggesting businesses cannot dip into their profits to pay their employees enough to meet living standards?

You keep saying "more" I keep saying "enough".

I don't advocate socialist economic policies, I advocate workers being paid adequately.

One thing a lot of people need to understand about businesses is they are the truest psychopaths out there. they only do what is best for the business and its shareholders.

the entire concept a businesses will hits its profit margin for the benefit of its work force is a non starter.

you will get the odd start up that has this policy but the second they get in angel investors and the like that goes out the window.


The only way that will happen is by the government increasing minimum wages and killing zero hour contracts. something they absolutely wont do in a world where we need to be making ourselves more attractive to businesses not less!