GFBlue
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Good on you PB!
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Complaint to BBC regarding Pete the Badge
- Thread starter Prestwich_Blue
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Good on you PB!
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manchester blue
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Dear Ms Tsang
Thank you for your reply to my complaint
I found your answer to be lacking in sincerity and, quite frankly, implausible.
You say that not one person in your football department knows the term “Bertie”. I am not often as direct as this but I am calling you out as a liar or completely gullible. If it is the latter I feel you should not be working in such a prominent position and if it is the former you should be disciplined.
This post was made by a United fan towards a City supporter as a deliberate bullying tactic. You know it, I know it. Your organisation’s sickly fawning and over exposure of documentaries with a Manchester United theme tells you all you need to know. If you think this will go away with a generic response that attempts to placate and fob off at the same time you are mistaken. I feel I should share with you that fan groups of Manchester City are deeply repelled with both your feeble generic responses to our concerns as we are to the original cyber bullying of a thoroughly decent person and have no intention of letting this go away until the truth is disclosed. Please could you provide the details of the agency from whom you purchased the photograph?
I also asked in my original complaint how I complain to the Director General. You failed to deal with this in your rush to provide a generic response. Consequently I wish to both escalate my original complaint so that somebody will answer who is prepared to tell the truth and provide a detailed response and I also wish to make a new complaint against you for failing to disclose the information I requested.
Thank you for your reply to my complaint
I found your answer to be lacking in sincerity and, quite frankly, implausible.
You say that not one person in your football department knows the term “Bertie”. I am not often as direct as this but I am calling you out as a liar or completely gullible. If it is the latter I feel you should not be working in such a prominent position and if it is the former you should be disciplined.
This post was made by a United fan towards a City supporter as a deliberate bullying tactic. You know it, I know it. Your organisation’s sickly fawning and over exposure of documentaries with a Manchester United theme tells you all you need to know. If you think this will go away with a generic response that attempts to placate and fob off at the same time you are mistaken. I feel I should share with you that fan groups of Manchester City are deeply repelled with both your feeble generic responses to our concerns as we are to the original cyber bullying of a thoroughly decent person and have no intention of letting this go away until the truth is disclosed. Please could you provide the details of the agency from whom you purchased the photograph?
I also asked in my original complaint how I complain to the Director General. You failed to deal with this in your rush to provide a generic response. Consequently I wish to both escalate my original complaint so that somebody will answer who is prepared to tell the truth and provide a detailed response and I also wish to make a new complaint against you for failing to disclose the information I requested.
Prestwich_Blue
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Good stuff. As I said, we can escalate if we're not happy with the second response. Let's play it by the book so they've got no excuses.Dear Ms Tsang
Thank you for your reply to my complaint
I found your answer to be lacking in sincerity and, quite frankly, implausible.
You say that not one person in your football department knows the term “Bertie”. I am not often as direct as this but I am calling you out as a liar or completely gullible. If it is the latter I feel you should not be working in such a prominent position and if it is the former you should be disciplined.
This post was made by a United fan towards a City supporter as a deliberate bullying tactic. You know it, I know it. Your organisation’s sickly fawning and over exposure of documentaries with a Manchester United theme tells you all you need to know. If you think this will go away with a generic response that attempts to placate and fob off at the same time you are mistaken. I feel I should share with you that fan groups of Manchester City are deeply repelled with both your feeble generic responses to our concerns as we are to the original cyber bullying of a thoroughly decent person and have no intention of letting this go away until the truth is disclosed. Please could you provide the details of the agency from whom you purchased the photograph?
I also asked in my original complaint how I complain to the Director General. You failed to deal with this in your rush to provide a generic response. Consequently I wish to both escalate my original complaint so that somebody will answer who is prepared to tell the truth and provide a detailed response and I also wish to make a new complaint against you for failing to disclose the information I requested.
PannickAtTheDisco
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Good work
MillionMilesAway
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Good stuff. As I said, we can escalate if we're not happy with the second response. Let's play it by the book so they've got no excuses.
I think that's the right way to go. Politeness and correctness.
A couple of points to yours and manchester blue's (which otherwise I find perfectly reasonable):
- do we know if any offence has been caused to Pete? Does he know at all about this?
- PB's (2) sentence made my head hurt to understand!
- very wise to point out clearly that this isn't anything against Ms Tsang.
- bullying is hard to prove, but they have no defence against having published a MOTD facebook post using a derogatory term. That they changed it suggests they agree.
Good work though. Nail them to the wall with something painful.
MadchesterCity
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I think the response needs to be that ignorance is no excuse & the BBC should pride itself on having its finger on the pulse when communicating to the world. This incident has ridiculed & more importantly made a vulnerable man who is easily identifiable a target of football fans by calling him a derogatory term.
Importantly how will you make amends & how will you ensure this never happens again.
If ignorance really is the truth then please do not allow your hacks to comment on anything as there are cultural differences that may not be as forgiving.
You lying twats!
It is t possible to reply to the email, I tried but my message crashes out, think I would need to raise a new complaint. I believe this system is setup like this intentionally to fob of the man on the street.
Seems to me that like the FA and the cheats at PIGMOL change is welcome and long overdue
Good stuff. As I said, we can escalate if we're not happy with the second response. Let's play it by the book so they've got no excuses.
If it is of any help in your escalation, the agency that holds copyright of the image in question appears to be Press Association images. It is easily found by going to www.paimages.co.uk and using the search term "Manchester City fan". It's on the first page of images. The text associated with the image on the site is pasted below...
Manchester City v Swansea City - Premier League - Etihad Stadium
A Manchester City fan before the Premier League match at the Etihad Stadium, Manchester.
Picture by Martin Rickett PA Wire/PA Images
Date taken:05-Feb-2017
Image size:4324 x 2988
Image ref #:29991330
There is no inclusion of the word "Bertie". Indeed, if you search www.paimages.co.uk with the word "Bertie", the image of Pete is not found.
If it is of any help in your escalation, the agency that holds copyright of the image in question appears to be Press Association images. It is easily found by going to www.paimages.co.uk and using the search term "Manchester City fan". It's on the first page of images. The text associated with the image on the site is pasted below...
Manchester City v Swansea City - Premier League - Etihad Stadium
A Manchester City fan before the Premier League match at the Etihad Stadium, Manchester.
Picture by Martin Rickett PA Wire/PA Images
Date taken:05-Feb-2017
Image size:4324 x 2988
Image ref #:29991330
There is no inclusion of the word "Bertie". Indeed, if you search www.paimages.co.uk with the word "Bertie", the image of Pete is not found.
That's excellent work. Shows that the replies from the BBC are trying to cover it up.
blue b4 the moon
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The image date on your post suggests a new image, I'm sure in this thread its mentioned that it was an existing image.If it is of any help in your escalation, the agency that holds copyright of the image in question appears to be Press Association images. It is easily found by going to www.paimages.co.uk and using the search term "Manchester City fan". It's on the first page of images. The text associated with the image on the site is pasted below...
Manchester City v Swansea City - Premier League - Etihad Stadium
A Manchester City fan before the Premier League match at the Etihad Stadium, Manchester.
Picture by Martin Rickett PA Wire/PA Images
Date taken:05-Feb-2017
Image size:4324 x 2988
Image ref #:29991330
There is no inclusion of the word "Bertie". Indeed, if you search www.paimages.co.uk with the word "Bertie", the image of Pete is not found.
I just typed 'man city fans at the Etihad' in google images and there half a dozen different photos of Pete. Could be one of those?The image date on your post suggests a new image, I'm sure in this thread its mentioned that it was an existing image.
blue b4 the moon
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I just typed 'man city fans at the Etihad' in google images and there half a dozen different photos of Pete. Could be one of those?
blue b4 the moon
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Don't know I'm sure somebody possibly pb said it'd been used before and also that the wording from bertie and been changed afterwards on the MOTD post.
The impression I had was that it was an older picture bought caption-less and used on an earlier day as well.
Pb is like a dog with a bone so I guess it'll all come out eventually.
Manc in London
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If it is of any help in your escalation, the agency that holds copyright of the image in question appears to be Press Association images. It is easily found by going to www.paimages.co.uk and using the search term "Manchester City fan". It's on the first page of images. The text associated with the image on the site is pasted below...
Manchester City v Swansea City - Premier League - Etihad Stadium
A Manchester City fan before the Premier League match at the Etihad Stadium, Manchester.
Picture by Martin Rickett PA Wire/PA Images
Date taken:05-Feb-2017
Image size:4324 x 2988
Image ref #:29991330
There is no inclusion of the word "Bertie". Indeed, if you search www.paimages.co.uk with the word "Bertie", the image of Pete is not found.
Assuming the pics are the same, that confirms the BBC did add the caption. W@nkers.
Don't know I'm sure somebody possibly pb said it'd been used before and also that the wording from bertie and been changed afterwards.
The impression I had was that it was an older picture bought caption-less and used on an earlier day as well.
Pb is like a dog with a bone so I guess it'll all come out eventually.
The original MOTD tweet was on 5 Feb, the same day the PA image was taken. I don't know how to post images and so hopefully someone will put them up side by side.
Incidentally, the image was also used by The Sun, The Mirror and The Daily Mail, according to google images, without any offensive terms.
Jazzman
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I like this thread and what you Gentlemen are doing. Well done and keep going.
Fabled mabel
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No mention of his name, real or dubbed either and certainly no congrats for his long support or the 'mirrored' comments from bluesIf it is of any help in your escalation, the agency that holds copyright of the image in question appears to be Press Association images. It is easily found by going to www.paimages.co.uk and using the search term "Manchester City fan". It's on the first page of images. The text associated with the image on the site is pasted below...
Manchester City v Swansea City - Premier League - Etihad Stadium
A Manchester City fan before the Premier League match at the Etihad Stadium, Manchester.
Picture by Martin Rickett PA Wire/PA Images
Date taken:05-Feb-2017
Image size:4324 x 2988
Image ref #:29991330
There is no inclusion of the word "Bertie". Indeed, if you search www.paimages.co.uk with the word "Bertie", the image of Pete is not found.
Well done
Prestwich_Blue
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I love you! Marry me and have my babies. We've got the bastards bang to rights.If it is of any help in your escalation, the agency that holds copyright of the image in question appears to be Press Association images. It is easily found by going to www.paimages.co.uk and using the search term "Manchester City fan". It's on the first page of images. The text associated with the image on the site is pasted below...
Manchester City v Swansea City - Premier League - Etihad Stadium
A Manchester City fan before the Premier League match at the Etihad Stadium, Manchester.
Picture by Martin Rickett PA Wire/PA Images
Date taken:05-Feb-2017
Image size:4324 x 2988
Image ref #:29991330
There is no inclusion of the word "Bertie". Indeed, if you search www.paimages.co.uk with the word "Bertie", the image of Pete is not found.
just had a response to complaint #2 (of 4) re Simon Stone attending a commercial launch event for Tag Heuer at The Etihad. And guess what? It's another load of bullshit. I queried why the BBC were tweeting images from a launch event and effectively advertising on behalf of one of the rags' sponsors when there was no newsworthy element that I could see.
I’ve raised your complaint with our team at BBC Sport and they’ve asked me to pass their response onto you:
“Simon attended the event on business for BBC Sport, and received no personal benefit for his attendance. In our view, coverage of the event was clearly editorially justified given the continued commercial growth of United and the story around it.
“The BBC takes its responsibility to the editorial guidelines extremely seriously, but there will always be occasions where we cover a commercial event because it offers an editorial value to our audience.”
We’re sorry that you’ve had cause for concern.
Kind regards
Katherine Tsang
Deputy Complaints Advisor
BBC Audience Services
Katherine's going to be sick of me before long.
PannickAtTheDisco
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I love you! Marry me and have my babies. We've got the bastards bang to rights.
just had a response to complaint #2 (of 4) re Simon Stone attending a commercial launch event for Tag Heuer at The Etihad. And guess what? It's another load of bullshit. I queried why the BBC were tweeting images from a launch event and effectively advertising on behalf of one of the rags' sponsors when there was no newsworthy element that I could see.
Katherine's going to be sick of me before long.
Well she just has to start tsinging from our hymn sheet.
uwe rosler 28
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You need a job at city prestwitch blue every journilist/media outlets would shit there pants!!!!
Is there a screen shot of what they did ? I haven't seen it yet PBI've submitted a follow up complaint so if I'm not happy with the response, I think we can then escalate it.