Conscription. Would you fight?

[Drewmanc]

To all you saying no, what about when a massive bomb lands in your street or one of your family's street killing and maiming loads of people? Since the 40's we've become softer and more self righteous than ever before. Conscientious objector? Do me a favour. Scared, pussy whipped, frightened all spring to mind. Thanks fuck people were built of stronger stuff back then or it'd be Deutsch for all of us. Conscription would never happen unless it was WW III and the amount of death you had seen of innocents at home I would hope would compell you to fight.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

A lot of words Fetters to say "no I'm a big girl"

I really expected better of you than that.
You just don't get it,do you?
Conscience has nothing to do with bravery,and you are intelligent enough to appreciate that.
Although I'm sure your macho posturing will win you some brownie points with the testosterone-filled posse.

 

[blue wang]

FUCK NO, i run flea at first sign. You must understand i am jewish, these things havent worked out well for us

 

[SWP's back]

A lot of words Fetters to say "no I'm a big girl"

I really expected better of you than that.
You just don't get it,do you?
Conscience has nothing to do with bravery,and you are intelligent enough to appreciate that.
Although I'm sure your macho posturing will win you some brownie points with the testosterone-filled posse.

It was actually lighthearted (in much the same way as my idea to provatise the police and army in the other thread) fella but seeing as you pulled at the thread I shall go on.

I have already said I would only be an A) in the event of something like WWII where our borders were threatened (as opposed to a Vietnam style situation). There would be many ways to help the war effort without having to kill people, would you object to any role in the nations defence?

I couldn't have looked myself in the mirror if I had been this age in the 40's and avoided having to do the dirty work. Nor would I have been able to look the returning troops in the face when they returned from the war. I would have reaped their benefits whilst safe and sound at home.

I don't think I would enjoy it, I am sure I'd be scared witless, you only have to go paintballing (where the worst the happens is a few painful bruises) to realise how scary being in a firefight must be (and scary is underselling it some). But I would feel it was my duty to my peers and further generations to defend our borders as my grandfathers did before me.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

A lot of words Fetters to say "no I'm a big girl"

I really expected better of you than that.
You just don't get it,do you?
Conscience has nothing to do with bravery,and you are intelligent enough to appreciate that.
Although I'm sure your macho posturing will win you some brownie points with the testosterone-filled posse.

It was actually lighthearted (in much the same way as my idea to provatise the police and army in the other thread) fella but seeing as you pulled at the thread I shall go on.

I have already said I would only be an A) in the event of something like WWII where our borders were threatened (as opposed to a Vietnam style situation). There would be many ways to help the war effort without having to kill people, would you object to any role in the nations defence?

I couldn't have looked myself in the mirror if I had been this age in the 40's and avoided having to do the dirty work. Nor would I have been able to look the returning troops in the face when they returned from the war. I would have reaped their benefits whilst safe and sound at home.

I don't think I would enjoy it, I am sure I'd be scared witless, you only have to go paintballing (where the worst the happens is a few painful bruises) to realise how scary being in a firefight must be (and scary is underselling it some). But I would feel it was my duty to my peers and further generations to defend our borders as my grandfathers did before me.

That is an admirable attitude and outlook that I can understand totally,and I have nothing but respect for those who pay the ultimate price.
War is a horrible business that should always be avoided whenever possible,as there are seldom any winners other than the arms industry and those companies who hoover up the rebuilding contracts for wherever has been reduced to rubble.
But if individual freedom is to be enshrined as a basic human right,then we must respect the wishes of those who choose not to engage in combat.
Maybe they should be offered some civilian role in the war that does not involve actual fighting as a compromise - I believe that military chaplains are exempt from frontline duties on similar compassionate grounds,so already such a non-combative distinction exists in the armed forces.
I just hope that none of us are ever forced to make the decision in our lifetimes.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

I really expected better of you than that.
You just don't get it,do you?
Conscience has nothing to do with bravery,and you are intelligent enough to appreciate that.
Although I'm sure your macho posturing will win you some brownie points with the testosterone-filled posse.

It was actually lighthearted (in much the same way as my idea to provatise the police and army in the other thread) fella but seeing as you pulled at the thread I shall go on.

I have already said I would only be an A) in the event of something like WWII where our borders were threatened (as opposed to a Vietnam style situation). There would be many ways to help the war effort without having to kill people, would you object to any role in the nations defence?

I couldn't have looked myself in the mirror if I had been this age in the 40's and avoided having to do the dirty work. Nor would I have been able to look the returning troops in the face when they returned from the war. I would have reaped their benefits whilst safe and sound at home.

I don't think I would enjoy it, I am sure I'd be scared witless, you only have to go paintballing (where the worst the happens is a few painful bruises) to realise how scary being in a firefight must be (and scary is underselling it some). But I would feel it was my duty to my peers and further generations to defend our borders as my grandfathers did before me.

That is an admirable attitude and outlook that I can understand totally,and I have nothing but respect for those who pay the ultimate price.
War is a horrible business that should always be avoided whenever possible,as there are seldom any winners other than the arms industry and those companies who hoover up the rebuilding contracts for wherever has been reduced to rubble.
But if individual freedom is to be enshrined as a basic human right,then we must respect the wishes of those who choose not to engage in combat.
Maybe they should be offered some civilian role in the war that does not involve actual fighting as a compromise - I believe that military chaplains are exempt from frontline duties on similar compassionate grounds,so already such a non-combative distinction exists in the armed forces.
I just hope that none of us are ever forced to make the decision in our lifetimes.

I was in Bosnia in 94 as part of the peace keeping forces. I for one will never ever regret joining up and doing my bit. That was an experience I will never ever forget however upsetting it was. I know guys who went seriously wibble after witnessing some of that shit. War is awful but I have said it before and I will say it again,it is justified in some instances but NOT all.
As regards conscription-it would be so much more dangerous to force people to fight who don't want to.

 

[malg]

Seeing a Soldier on leave putting a bottle round someones head I'm gna stick with what I said earlier.

I tell you one thing Josh, if that soldier was reported and prosecuted he'd be booted out of the Army. That kind of thing is no longer tolerated, more so now that the Services have a decent reputation due to Iraq and Afghan - it's something that the top brass are working hard not to lose. The Army have worked hard over the last 15-20 years to weed out bullies and the old view of gangs of squaddies going down town in Aldershot or Colchester and causing trouble. You will still get the odd one being a tit, but the consequences now are very, very heavy.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

It was actually lighthearted (in much the same way as my idea to provatise the police and army in the other thread) fella but seeing as you pulled at the thread I shall go on.

I have already said I would only be an A) in the event of something like WWII where our borders were threatened (as opposed to a Vietnam style situation). There would be many ways to help the war effort without having to kill people, would you object to any role in the nations defence?

I couldn't have looked myself in the mirror if I had been this age in the 40's and avoided having to do the dirty work. Nor would I have been able to look the returning troops in the face when they returned from the war. I would have reaped their benefits whilst safe and sound at home.

I don't think I would enjoy it, I am sure I'd be scared witless, you only have to go paintballing (where the worst the happens is a few painful bruises) to realise how scary being in a firefight must be (and scary is underselling it some). But I would feel it was my duty to my peers and further generations to defend our borders as my grandfathers did before me.

That is an admirable attitude and outlook that I can understand totally,and I have nothing but respect for those who pay the ultimate price.
War is a horrible business that should always be avoided whenever possible,as there are seldom any winners other than the arms industry and those companies who hoover up the rebuilding contracts for wherever has been reduced to rubble.
But if individual freedom is to be enshrined as a basic human right,then we must respect the wishes of those who choose not to engage in combat.
Maybe they should be offered some civilian role in the war that does not involve actual fighting as a compromise - I believe that military chaplains are exempt from frontline duties on similar compassionate grounds,so already such a non-combative distinction exists in the armed forces.
I just hope that none of us are ever forced to make the decision in our lifetimes.

I was in Bosnia in 94 as part of the peace keeping forces. I for one will never ever regret joining up and doing my bit. That was an experience I will never ever forget however upsetting it was. I know guys who went seriously wibble after witnessing some of that shit. War is awful but I have said it before and I will say it again,it is justified in some instances but NOT all.
As regards conscription-it would be so much more dangerous to force people to fight who don't want to.

Then you have my utmost respect,as do all the armed forces,whether we agree with a given conflict or not.
I also think we should be doing a damned sight more for those whom you were on active service with who come back damaged,either mentally or physically,as their level of care and support often falls short of that we should give those who risk their lives for our freedom.
The amount of ex soldiers who end up unemployed,homeless or in custody on leaving the military is a disgrace that needs addressing.

 

[Comrade Buka]

D: possible conscientious objector; depends what lies I've been fed.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

That is an admirable attitude and outlook that I can understand totally,and I have nothing but respect for those who pay the ultimate price.
War is a horrible business that should always be avoided whenever possible,as there are seldom any winners other than the arms industry and those companies who hoover up the rebuilding contracts for wherever has been reduced to rubble.
But if individual freedom is to be enshrined as a basic human right,then we must respect the wishes of those who choose not to engage in combat.
Maybe they should be offered some civilian role in the war that does not involve actual fighting as a compromise - I believe that military chaplains are exempt from frontline duties on similar compassionate grounds,so already such a non-combative distinction exists in the armed forces.
I just hope that none of us are ever forced to make the decision in our lifetimes.

I was in Bosnia in 94 as part of the peace keeping forces. I for one will never ever regret joining up and doing my bit. That was an experience I will never ever forget however upsetting it was. I know guys who went seriously wibble after witnessing some of that shit. War is awful but I have said it before and I will say it again,it is justified in some instances but NOT all.
As regards conscription-it would be so much more dangerous to force people to fight who don't want to.

Then you have my utmost respect,as do all the armed forces,whether we agree with a given conflict or not.
I also think we should be doing a damned sight more for those whom you were on active service with who come back damaged,either mentally or physically,as their level of care and support often falls short of that we should give those who risk their lives for our freedom.
The amount of ex soldiers who end up unemployed,homeless or in custody on leaving the military is a disgrace that needs addressing.

Thank NJF, it was my choice to sign on the dotted line and I knew what could potentially happen. When I left the mob in 99 I was very lucky,I literally left the forces and started my new job on the Monday of which I am still doing today.
The care of ex military members has certainly improved but again I know of many who leave and are totally lost on civvy street. It's because the military literally do everything for you,3 meals a day, accomodation ,medical care,dental care etc etc and then you have to fend for yourself.
I am glad I left when I did as I would no doubt have ended up in Afghan or Iraq and with 2 young children and another on the way even I would have found that difficult.