Considerations over last 4 matches: too much!

MANCIO4EVER

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I think I made up clear I do consider moaning simply no worth.
Nevertheless, on other hand, fact is that FANS are overall Customers who pay the fee twice, with money and passion and They deserve better, otherwise conplaints are entitled.

Now what I d like to debate - out of unusefull bull - is:
We can argue about tactics and displays: thus preferer different managerial philosophies and consequent signings;
We can argue about fitness, form and correct use of players.
As per Einstein, everything is relatively ongoing on the universe becoming: nonetheless there is a crossover point in every human performance.

My modest opinion is that as far as now, City crossover should be fairly put not lower that Birmingham/Everton, and should be a simple matter of fact that something extraordinarly negative must happen to justify City not to win over any side which is lower than that stake. This kind of "extraordinary events" (loads of enjuries, worse refereeing, impractical pitch that equalize skills) may fairly assumed to happen twice a season, no further.

I myself have my personal assessment/preferences about the quality of each of our players - like all of You - but what imho should be a simple matter of fact is that - whichever be the picked line-up, whatsoever any manager may display them - the City side of professional players must prevail clearly over respectull but widely inferior side like Portsmouth, Hull, Bolton ant Stoke - as simple as any employee worldwide use to gain his/hers wages any day of working life.

To made it more clear I wanna use a rhetoric metaphor: it is my firm opinion that, if when 1-0 in front, the whole team would have been substitute with the Accademy team, we now shall be already in the FA last 8.

Again I would stress the point that, whether everyone may argue if the first 15 minutes our side was quite brillant, just effective (like I do) or only decent, it is not arguable that in spite of an overall pathetic display, the only threat Stoke effected to our goal had been a lineout where all the players stayed firm watching the striker headballing free in the center of the box.

Now, If I did not watched and frequented English sport for the last 25 years, and if City was an Italian or Spanish side, I may start wondering if the players are "working against the manager". But because I am totally aware that such things are impossible in the culture of british sport.... I am puzzled and frankly don't undestand!

What are You on about?
 
I wonder why the above proposal had been just ignored, meanwhile several of its propositions had been interestedly debated in several different topics posted later.

I am busy enough with my business and my hobbies and and qualified enough to trace different sources where I may enhance my increasing passion for MCFC.

It is just as funny as kidding to note a warm mood.... :-)
 
ok, i'll fall for for it.

First, welcome to the crazy world of Manchester City Football Club MANCIO4EVER (aka The best team in the land and all the world).

I think that a lot of teams in the EPL now see City as a huge "scalp" to claim and raise their game when the play us. The Traffordonions raised their game twice this season after poor form going into the two games we lost. We have to overcome this and not under-estimate any team.

Tactics? Is Mancini getting it right? No, not all the time, and yes, the times when he has'nt got it wrong. he has to adapt quickly to the harsh reality of the EPL
He has to look at the whole squad of players at his disposal, which he is doing.
Also, we have had a lot of injuries but that should be no excuse with the strength of the squad.

You touch on 'refereeing issues' which is one of my bug-bears. I have been appalled by the officials this season, not just during City games either. An old school friend of mine had a nightmare at Crystal Palace yesterday ... he made 2 major clangers which affected the outcome of the game.

Over to you, what are you on about?
 
The Iceman Cometh said:
ok, i'll fall for for it.

First, welcome to the crazy world of Manchester City Football Club MANCIO4EVER (aka The best team in the land and all the world).

I think that a lot of teams in the EPL now see City as a huge "scalp" to claim and raise their game when the play us. The Traffordonions raised their game twice this season after poor form going into the two games we lost. We have to overcome this and not under-estimate any team.

Tactics? Is Mancini getting it right? No, not all the time, and yes, the times when he has'nt got it wrong. he has to adapt quickly to the harsh reality of the EPL
He has to look at the whole squad of players at his disposal, which he is doing.
Also, we have had a lot of injuries but that should be no excuse with the strength of the squad.

You touch on 'refereeing issues' which is one of my bug-bears. I have been appalled by the officials this season, not just during City games either. An old school friend of mine had a nightmare at Crystal Palace yesterday ... he made 2 major clangers which affected the outcome of the game.

Over to you, what are you on about?

Nothing particular to argue about Your assessment.
I may not agree on it 100% but it is fair and sensible and wise.
Imo again, tactics/managers, displays and form should be an argument when we compare City with sides from Birmingham to Chelsea.
If I look to any single player City played against an American Football side like Stoke (which is featured to score touchdowns better than goals) I cannot see any single Stoke player which enjoys a skill comparable with any of ours.
Thus, imo, it is quite fair to assess that, irrespectively to form, tactics and display, whenever they apply the same diligence you apply to remunerate your employer, they would prevail easily over the likes of Hull and Stoke.

Apart from that, I agree Mancini has to cook the soup with the stuff he has, and must do it better that MH because he has been appointed to do so, according to a far better curriculum.
I also agree with You that he did several mistakes, but I frankly consider only one resulted in loss of points: when he decided to give an additional chance to the unwillingfull fake, in a rough feud like at Goodison, instead of better enter a taller and weighted stiker like Benjani, who could have offered more usefull tactical support to overtake that fort apache assault.
I am far confident that the job is undergoing and in spite of ugly necessary displays, the mission will be accomplished.
I too am greedy to see next season City playing with 4 world class midfielders.

Thanks for welcome.
 
Mancio4ever.

Do you understand English?

You have obviously put a lot of thought into your post, but it really has lost a lot in translation.

It may make perfect sense in Italian, and I'm sure it would if it was written in English, but somehow the cyber bunnies are having a laugh.

Welcome to the the blue three quarters of Manchester. I wonder, though, how this message will be translated.

It is just as funny as kidding to note a warm mood.
 
Fowlers Penalty Miss said:
Mancio4ever.

Do you understand English?

You have obviously put a lot of thought into your post, but it really has lost a lot in translation.

It may make perfect sense in Italian, and I'm sure it would if it was written in English, but somehow the cyber bunnies are having a laugh.

Welcome to the the blue three quarters of Manchester. I wonder, though, how this message will be translated.

It is just as funny as kidding to note a warm mood.

good point - can you post in Italian and see if any of the other Italians on here can translate - Thanks

I am assuming you are using babblefish or something!

I have tried to read a few of your other posts, good to see a passionate blue though
 
I would avoid trying to make your point in flowery english if its not your first langauge, this is bluemoon there's no gold stars for eloquence....
 
Ok.
Language suggestions duly noted. As a guest I stand by your points.
I do am fully aware I am widely faulty, especially since last years I been forced to slow down my direct frequentation of Your Country, due to family engagements. Nevertheless, I still continue to receive/exchange several professional appointments from/to some English firms and to enjoy frequent private correspondence with some English friends, and none of them ever seemed unable to understand me over the last 20 years.

Warm welcomes highly appeciated.
 
Your English is fine mate, it just takes sometime to understand your points as you tend to use flowery language.

I think the Premier League has much more emphasis on a team and workrate than some other leagues. Having 11 top individuals doesn't guarantee you a win at Stoke, unfortunately. The one who usually wins a match, is the one who wants it more and the bottom clubs are now fighting for their very survival which makes them dangerous.

We do have a fine squad, but unless Mancio can blend them into a fine team, it is for nothing. I don't personally think that Mancini has done anything wrong, his tactics are what they need to be for the squad we have (unless we want to concede lots of goals).

The desire from the players is there, but a combination of a bad centre midfield, unfamiliar tactics and Mancini adapting to situations in the game slows down our game to a crawl, and it looks like we can't be bothered at times.
 
Damocles said:
Your English is fine mate, it just takes sometime to understand your points as you tend to use flowery language.

I think the Premier League has much more emphasis on a team and workrate than some other leagues. Having 11 top individuals doesn't guarantee you a win at Stoke, unfortunately. The one who usually wins a match, is the one who wants it more and the bottom clubs are now fighting for their very survival which makes them dangerous.

We do have a fine squad, but unless Mancio can blend them into a fine team, it is for nothing. I don't personally think that Mancini has done anything wrong, his tactics are what they need to be for the squad we have (unless we want to concede lots of goals).

The desire from the players is there, but a combination of a bad centre midfield, unfamiliar tactics and Mancini adapting to situations in the game slows down our game to a crawl, and it looks like we can't be bothered at times.

it's not the first time I do agree with You, Pal. Neither the first I may enjoy Your gentleman's touch... :-)
 
MANCIO4EVER said:
Damocles said:
Your English is fine mate, it just takes sometime to understand your points as you tend to use flowery language.

I think the Premier League has much more emphasis on a team and workrate than some other leagues. Having 11 top individuals doesn't guarantee you a win at Stoke, unfortunately. The one who usually wins a match, is the one who wants it more and the bottom clubs are now fighting for their very survival which makes them dangerous.

We do have a fine squad, but unless Mancio can blend them into a fine team, it is for nothing. I don't personally think that Mancini has done anything wrong, his tactics are what they need to be for the squad we have (unless we want to concede lots of goals).

The desire from the players is there, but a combination of a bad centre midfield, unfamiliar tactics and Mancini adapting to situations in the game slows down our game to a crawl, and it looks like we can't be bothered at times.

it's not the first time I do agree with You, Pal. Neither the first I may enjoy Your gentleman's touch... :-)

Ha, I love the way non native speakers phrase some things. That makes you sound a little, errr, like a busone (if my Italian translation is any good). Don't worry, we know what you meant :-)
 
Damocles said:
MANCIO4EVER said:
it's not the first time I do agree with You, Pal. Neither the first I may enjoy Your gentleman's touch... :-)

Ha, I love the way non native speakers phrase some things. That makes you sound a little, errr, like a busone (if my Italian translation is any good). Don't worry, we know what you meant :-)

Pal, humbly. I love what you say, but busone I don't think is an italian word. the most similar is "busso" from the verb "bussare" = to knock.
Nevertheless, as the good person You are, You can call me whatever U want (except rag!)... lol.
If we gonna win tonight I'll be glad to be busone untill our next loss (hopefully the lastest possible)... :-)
cheers Damocles.
 
I think Mancini is the right man for the job, and I think most of our players, playing at their best, are good enough for what we want to achieve - but teams don't become great overnight no matter how talented the individual players are. When this team gels, when they get more used to playing under Mancini, when Mancini and the players know each other inside out, then we'll have a formidable team.

No matter how much a club spends on new players, no matter what calibre of top manager they appoint - becoming a great side is still a marathon, not a sprint.
 
sam221985 said:
I think Mancini is the right man for the job, and I think most of our players, playing at their best, are good enough for what we want to achieve - but teams don't become great overnight no matter how talented the individual players are. When this team gels, when they get more used to playing under Mancini, when Mancini and the players know each other inside out, then we'll have a formidable team.

No matter how much a club spends on new players, no matter what calibre of top manager they appoint - becoming a great side is still a marathon, not a sprint.

Great sense!
 

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