Conspiracies

[SWP's back]

Re: Most bizarre conspiracies

I dont really have to do anything.

It was an ironical use of irony if you get my meaning.

You really have to explain these "unions" we are forced into.

Oh I don't know may have to look really far to find one now. Oh no wait. The European Union. Not really dividing us there are they.

No answer for the population rising year on year? Not even minute drops in the last 200 years?

They are the ones creating these divisions in order to promote the establishment of "unions" like the EU.

What do you think the population would be if we didnt have all the wars we had in the last 100 years?

Is that a serious argument? You think Hitler was playing along (and martyring himself) in a NWO false flag operation? You are fruitier than an orchard.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Most bizarre conspiracies

He means 'Facts'. Not youtube videos made by fellow nutjobs.

Bloody hell, it's just like the religion thread...

Yeah,but you can prove anything with facts...

Here's a fact for you.


The Gulf of Tonkin incident, or the USS Maddox incident, are the names given to two separate confrontations, one actual and one false, involving North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. On August 2, 1964, the destroyer USS Maddox, while performing a signals intelligence patrol as part of DESOTO operations, engaged three North Vietnamese Navy torpedo boats of the 135th Torpedo Squadron.[1] A sea battle resulted, in which the Maddox expended over two hundred and eighty 3-inch and 5-inch shells, and in which four USN F-8 Crusader jet fighter bombers strafed the torpedo boats. One US aircraft was damaged, one 14.5 mm round hit the destroyer, three North Vietnamese torpedo boats were damaged, and four North Vietnamese sailors were killed and six were wounded; there were no U.S. casualties.[5]

The second Tonkin Gulf incident was originally claimed by the U.S. National Security Agency to have occurred on August 4, 1964, as another sea battle, but instead may have involved "Tonkin Ghosts"[6] (false radar images) and not actual NVN torpedo boat attacks.

The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam.

In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded[7] that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, but that there were no North Vietnamese Naval vessels present during the incident of August 4. The report stated regarding August 2:

At 1500G, Captain Herrick (commander of the Maddox) ordered Ogier's gun crews to open fire if the boats approached within ten thousand yards. At about 1505G, the Maddox fired three rounds to warn off the communist boats. This initial action was never reported by the Johnson administration, which insisted that the Vietnamese boats fired first.[7]
and regarding August 4:

It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.[8]

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident</a>

So do you think the US wanted to provoke a full scale war in Vietnam to:

a) Help create tension so that a one world government could be formed by a secret illuminati made up of Build-a-bear Group and as a way of population control.

or

b) Allow them to move into a full scale war to try and secure the South Vietnamese's position and stop the spread of Communism in the region



You see, what you did was not provide any facts for your claims at all.

 

[PJMCC1UK]

Re: Most bizarre conspiracies

Yes I obviously am the sheeple. I mean it's obvious isn't it. The majority are always wrong. It's just the enlightened few such as yourself who, despite these organisations being so secretive and manipulative, can see through it all after watching a youtube video and reading something that in reality makes no sense.
Or perhaps I'm one of the lizard people

Perhaps you see yourself as the protector of truth, I dont know?

No I see myself as someone who uses logic and reason. I don't mean to be rude about it. This is just the way I talk. It's as much banter as debate. So please don't take it as me being noughty to you.
But I genuinely would love to know how you came to these conclusions. And the evidence that actually convinced you the Illuminati were real.
If you had access to these Brandenburgh meetings and had actual transcripts then fine but merely using the meeting as evidence is nothing either.
Not saying you are it's just an obvious one that gets used. But most people seem to read something then get onto the next then get deeply sucked into it all without really analysing it.

 

[twinkletoes]

Re: Most bizarre conspiracies

Yeah,but you can prove anything with facts...

Here's a fact for you.


The Gulf of Tonkin incident, or the USS Maddox incident, are the names given to two separate confrontations, one actual and one false, involving North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. On August 2, 1964, the destroyer USS Maddox, while performing a signals intelligence patrol as part of DESOTO operations, engaged three North Vietnamese Navy torpedo boats of the 135th Torpedo Squadron.[1] A sea battle resulted, in which the Maddox expended over two hundred and eighty 3-inch and 5-inch shells, and in which four USN F-8 Crusader jet fighter bombers strafed the torpedo boats. One US aircraft was damaged, one 14.5 mm round hit the destroyer, three North Vietnamese torpedo boats were damaged, and four North Vietnamese sailors were killed and six were wounded; there were no U.S. casualties.[5]

The second Tonkin Gulf incident was originally claimed by the U.S. National Security Agency to have occurred on August 4, 1964, as another sea battle, but instead may have involved "Tonkin Ghosts"[6] (false radar images) and not actual NVN torpedo boat attacks.

The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam.

In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded[7] that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, but that there were no North Vietnamese Naval vessels present during the incident of August 4. The report stated regarding August 2:

At 1500G, Captain Herrick (commander of the Maddox) ordered Ogier's gun crews to open fire if the boats approached within ten thousand yards. At about 1505G, the Maddox fired three rounds to warn off the communist boats. This initial action was never reported by the Johnson administration, which insisted that the Vietnamese boats fired first.[7]
and regarding August 4:

It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.[8]

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident</a>

So do you think the US wanted to provoke a full scale war in Vietnam to:

a) Help create tension so that a one world government could be formed by a secret illuminati made up of Build-a-bear Group and as a way of population control.

or

b) Allow them to move into a full scale war to try and secure the South Vietnamese's position and stop the spread of Communism in the region



You see, what you did was not provide any facts for your claims at all.

Where do you get your facts to support your view?

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Most bizarre conspiracies

A or B and then I'll answer you.

 

[levets]

Re: Most bizarre conspiracies

The 9/11 stuff takes some beating but Lizards rule the World gets a special mention.
Infact just do a search on 1 or 2 of our stranger posters on here & you will have enough material to keep you busy for a month.

The David Icke website is a constant source of amusement. Our younger members probably won't realise that Icke was once a famous sports presenter before becoming an utter fruit loop.

And a professional top flight Goal keeper with Coventry before that

 

[levets]

Re: Most bizarre conspiracies

Oswald did it.

Surely thats the anti-conspiracy?
And anyway, he did do it. Its just boring to think so and difficult for people to comprehend how an insignificant strange loner can complete such a catastrophic and major event

Jim Garrison didn't think so....

 

[Main Stand Hotdog]

Re: Most bizarre conspiracies

He means 'Facts'. Not youtube videos made by fellow nutjobs.

Bloody hell, it's just like the religion thread...

Yeah,but you can prove anything with facts...

Here's a fact for you.


The Gulf of Tonkin incident, or the USS Maddox incident, are the names given to two separate confrontations, one actual and one false, involving North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. On August 2, 1964, the destroyer USS Maddox, while performing a signals intelligence patrol as part of DESOTO operations, engaged three North Vietnamese Navy torpedo boats of the 135th Torpedo Squadron.[1] A sea battle resulted, in which the Maddox expended over two hundred and eighty 3-inch and 5-inch shells, and in which four USN F-8 Crusader jet fighter bombers strafed the torpedo boats. One US aircraft was damaged, one 14.5 mm round hit the destroyer, three North Vietnamese torpedo boats were damaged, and four North Vietnamese sailors were killed and six were wounded; there were no U.S. casualties.[5]

The second Tonkin Gulf incident was originally claimed by the U.S. National Security Agency to have occurred on August 4, 1964, as another sea battle, but instead may have involved "Tonkin Ghosts"[6] (false radar images) and not actual NVN torpedo boat attacks.

The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam.

In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded[7] that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, but that there were no North Vietnamese Naval vessels present during the incident of August 4. The report stated regarding August 2:

At 1500G, Captain Herrick (commander of the Maddox) ordered Ogier's gun crews to open fire if the boats approached within ten thousand yards. At about 1505G, the Maddox fired three rounds to warn off the communist boats. This initial action was never reported by the Johnson administration, which insisted that the Vietnamese boats fired first.[7]
and regarding August 4:

It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.[8]

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident</a>

Have you been at the Jesse 'The Body' Ventura conspiracy videos on youtube?

I know that he likes to qoute all this ad nauseam.

 

[inchy14]

Re: Most bizarre conspiracies

Somebody posted a link a while ago which stated that a secret organisation knew that war was going to break out with China and the US, all of this was caused by the Russian and Chinese government protecting Syria from the US and Israel.

Anyone link me to it?

(Some of the above may be incorrect)

 

[twinkletoes]

Re: Most bizarre conspiracies

Yes I obviously am the sheeple. I mean it's obvious isn't it. The majority are always wrong. It's just the enlightened few such as yourself who, despite these organisations being so secretive and manipulative, can see through it all after watching a youtube video and reading something that in reality makes no sense.
Or perhaps I'm one of the lizard people

Perhaps you see yourself as the protector of truth, I dont know?

No I see myself as someone who uses logic and reason. I don't mean to be rude about it. This is just the way I talk. It's as much banter as debate. So please don't take it as me being noughty to you.
But I genuinely would love to know how you came to these conclusions. And the evidence that actually convinced you the Illuminati were real.
If you had access to these Brandenburgh meetings and had actual transcripts then fine but merely using the meeting as evidence is nothing either.
Not saying you are it's just an obvious one that gets used. But most people seem to read something then get onto the next then get deeply sucked into it all without really analysing it.

When the banks were misselling products to the public and manipulating interest rates , I always thought it was fraud and they should all go to prison.

The media helped me to understand that wasnt the case. So I didnt believe that so I looked for an alternative view which told me they were all part of a criminal enterprise similar to the mafia.