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Not been called for my vaccine yet so I'm going to try my luck on Saturday and turn up at the vaccine place near me and see if they have a spare one I can have.
Want to make sure i have in case it's a prerequisite of getting a ticket for Everton game.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
I worry that these vaccines have been too rushed.
This development is concerning.
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Presumably you would have preferred that they took their time developing them and approving them, while 50,000 more people died every six months..?

They normally test drugs on 10,000 to 30000 people from i can gather. 1 person has died for every 250,000 people given the vaccine in the UK.

The risk is negligible and quite possibly would not have been detected during standard trials.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
As I see it:
The main (and largely overlooked) point is that regulators issued Emergency Use orders for all the vaccines; none of them have gone through the years-long testing procedures which would normally be needed.
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I don't think this is correct.

All the usual clinical efficacy and safety data were provided.

The only condition of emergency use was individual batch testing.

As I understand it, could be wrong.


The specific issue turned up now would *never* be discovered in any clinical trial - it's just too rare. It would only ever turn up on rollout.

This is not to do with the speed of development.
 
Healdplace said:
What bothers me too is that we are now basically saying as we collected more data we agreed with what the EU found weeks earlier from less data.

That begs the question did they jump the gun in the EU or were we too slow despite having more data.

The balance of ages was a plausible reason why the EU acted on earlier data (more younger people had it there early). If that is null - why did we only spot this much later from more and longer use of the vaccine?
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The MHRA medics said nothing of the sort.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I don't think this is correct.

All the usual clinical efficacy and safety data were provided.

The only condition of emergency use was individual batch testing.

As I understand it, could be wrong.


The specific issue turned up now would *never* be discovered in any clinical trial - it's just too rare. It would only ever turn up on rollout.

This is not to do with the speed of development.
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Thanks - I think there is at least an element of interpretation being different from my intention/thought process.

I wasn't intending that to be specific for the clotting issue that showed up here, as I agree it's very rare, or specific to covid vaccines - more that any vaccine being created and used so quickly was rare.

I assumed (possibly wrongly based on your post) that an Emergency Use authorisation goes hand in hand with less/shorter trialling, and also hand in hand with a higher chance of revised advice being given when issues arise. My meaning was more that it's only there being an emergency that got it authorised so quickly.

As I think I said (somewhere), the vaccine concept has been being developed for a fair while now - I think that's been tested pretty exhaustively. I don't know if it had got to the point of being ready bar a cause to use it.
 
cyberblue said:
Lots more people get & die from blood clots after catching Covid 19 than they do from having the vaccine
No vaccine or medicine is without side effects.
4 people in 1 million might get a blood clot from the vaccine , While 10s of thousands have died from Covid in the UK
Am glad Van Tam & his colleagues are on the ball & keep monitoring progress
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Very true.
The side effect is worse than that for Heparin (which has a similar side effect) and you get a dose of that if you're admitted to hospital with Covid as the risk for clots when ill with Covid are immense.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
She quotes worst case scenarios and implies they're central predictions.

She assumes no decline in efficacy with time.
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Worst case assumptions that have been recently been proven to be rubbish. Being hospitalised after catching Covid after having the AZ jab for instance.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Ok understood, but its not banned is it? its deemed an acceptable risk for a non life saving drug, When you look at the risks of various drugs I cant help feeling the measures adopted by the regulators for the AZ vaccine are being driven by the media and not the science?
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You can't say regulators are driven by the media.
 
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