Coronavirus (2021) thread

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BlueAnorak said:
Love the fact that's a logarithmic scale so were put with the rest of the pack.
If it was a 20 lap race Israel would have crossed the finishing line. We'd be nearing the middle of lap 2, the US and Denmark would be starting lap 2, Germany, Italy and China would be on the middle of lap 1 and France would have run about 5 yards
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And the Dutch: 'what race?'
 
Healdplace said:
It is over the limit we were at in April across the UK and every region in England.

However, ventilator patients at the most sick in ICU are lower everywhere but fast approaching those limits in places like London,

We are not at the peak yet - as had we acted when everyone bar our leaders knew we should then by now we might be.

The true meaning of swamped will be on TV screens around the world in a week or two as people die in ambulances unable to be admitted. Tragically that is turning into a very real possibility.
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People are already dying in ambulances on hospital car parks.
 
Healdplace said:
So the total deaths today without the all settings ones from England are:- 886.

This is the highest yet and it seems certain another 1000 + total will result.

Unfortunately as we escalate this pandemic this next week or two it may yet get worse before it gets better as deaths will be the last thing to start to fall as in every wave.

By then the NHS may be swamped.
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A reminder that this was absolutely obvious before Christmas, yet the govt decided to let it rip across the country for another fortnight.

Unforgiveable.

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BigOscar said:
Bet they won't be on tv screens. One of the only effective lockdowns the government have done is the lockdown of cameras in hospitals. We saw more footage of Italian hospitals than our own
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I heard some professor or other on the TV a day or so ago saying (in terms) "I don't want to frighten people".

In my view, we absolute SHOULD be frightening people. And when people start to feel relaxed, frighten them more.

When the first terrible scenes in Italy emerged at the beginning of last year - people dying in corridors etc - people were rightly frightened and we saw pretty good compliance with the rules. People have become blasé and this is half the problem. It's not (only) that the rules have been too lax; it's that people have in very large numbers, not been following them. Perhaps if they genuinely thought their lives, or their loved ones' lives, were in mortal danger then they might take it a bit more seriously.
 
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twosips said:
Unbelievably grim seeing these figures tbh. Innit shite just living everyday hoping that your loved ones don't catch it and die? No real way to live your life.
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It's also incredibly frustrating when it was obvious weeks ago that this would be the consequence of inaction.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I heard some professor or other on the TV a day or so ago saying (in terms) "I don't want to frighten people".

In my view, we absolute SHOULD be frightening people. And when people start to feel relaxed, frighten them more.

When the first terrible scenes in Italy emerged at the beginning of last year - people dying in corridors etc - people were rightly frightened and we saw pretty good compliance with the rules. People have become blaze and this is half the problem. It's not (only) that the rules have been too lax; it's that people have in very large numbers, not been following them. Perhaps if they genuinely thought their lives, or their loved ones' lives, were in mortal danger then they might take it a bit more seriously.
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I agree with the fear factor but we have so many world leading virologists on here who loved to mock Whitty and Vallance.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Jeez. As I said, I put it on a log scale specifically so the trends of others currently behind us could be seen. I also explicitly said we're doing better than it seems at first glance. What more do you want? Feel free to go to the source and post any other variation you want. Was just intended to be of interest
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I know. I'm just pulling your leg.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
I heard some professor or other on the TV a day or so ago saying (in terms) "I don't want to frighten people".

In my view, we absolute SHOULD be frightening people. And when people start to feel relaxed, frighten them more.
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Indeed. Instead, a nurse, close to tears, describing her harrowing shift, before cutting back to the newsreader who pauses a little longer than normal before segueing to a story that starts with politicians striding purposefully.

Country has been sheltered and not for its own good, alas.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I know. I'm just pulling you leg.
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Sorry, I'm a bit tetchy. Been in isolation for a week now, and the whole COVID thing is maddening as there are thousands dying now that could have been avoided with the exact same actions eventually taken, just earlier.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I heard some professor or other on the TV a day or so ago saying (in terms) "I don't want to frighten people".

In my view, we absolute SHOULD be frightening people. And when people start to feel relaxed, frighten them more.

When the first terrible scenes in Italy emerged at the beginning of last year - people dying in corridors etc - people were rightly frightened and we saw pretty good compliance with the rules. People have become blaze and this is half the problem. It's not (only) that the rules have been too lax; it's that people have in very large numbers, not been following them. Perhaps if they genuinely thought their lives, or their loved ones' lives, were in mortal danger then they might take it a bit more seriously.
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Definitely this. It was those reports on Sky News from the reporter in the hospital in Italy that first made me realise how serious and real this was. Get the TV reporters into hospitals here in the UK right now and drag one of the idiots stood outside shouting about it being fake in with them. Train a camera on their face at all times as they are taken around.
 
marco said:
are we anywhere near the peak yet at 15 days post xmas day
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Very hard to guess peaks with the overlapping and unknowable effects of Christmas, New Year, tiers, lockdown, school holidays.

If lockdown on 4th is the peak of actual infections, peak cases could be maybe just a week later, peak deaths maybe late Jan/early Feb. That would be my best guess FWIW.

If the lockdown isn't hard enough (possible with new variant) then deaths could peak a lot later, and be a lot higher.

If tier 4 in London and schools out over holidays reduced transmission significantly, could be earlier.
 
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