Coronavirus (2021) thread

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BlueAnorak said:
Guidence proof please. The NHS guidence is pretty clear as to isolation being tied to the first person in the house, but it clashes with the guidence given to my partner that doesn't mention anything about people already isolating.

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BlueAnorak said:
Yet excess deaths are only 119k (probably a bit less now) due entirely to flu/pneumonia deaths not happening in anything like the numbers they normally do.
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I was addressing the myth that was being suggest that most people die with rather than of covid in the stats, 2 entirely different sets of stats out there.

yeah I think the lockdowns pretty much nullified Flu entirely this winter bringing that average down.
 
grunge said:
I was addressing the myth that was being suggest that most people die with rather than of covid in the stats, 2 entirely different sets of stats out there.

yeah I think the lockdowns pretty much nullified Flu entirely this winter bringing that average down.
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I know. Your post was a good one. The devil in me just wanted to muddy the statistical waters even further.
 
hammocity said:
My mate is isolating after returning from Spain last Thursday, he's had a call from track and trace every day. This morning his partner got a knock on the door at 8:30, she answered and there was 2 people there from the Home Office, she politely told them to go away, they've both had a test the day before they returned home and one last Friday, both double jabbed and both had Covid so it's pretty unlikely they would be positive. However it's deemed safe enough for 60k people to sit together at a football match, all a bit much now, we either crack on (with masks in public places imho) or bring back more severe restrictions, we can't have this level of dichotomy.
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If two people from the home office knocked on my door I'd politely tell them what orifice to shove it.

We're all paying for this as well. Fucking pathetic.
 
Apparently Covid Fact Check says there is now good evidence the rate of increase is slowing suggesting we may be approaching a peak, That is certainly what I think the NW and Scotland seem to be showing right now.

They note that the growth of the seven day average of cases has gone in the past week as follows:-

66.9% TO 53.2% TO 49,0% TO 42.8% TO 34.9% TO 30.7% TO 30.0

The fall in the rate of what is still an increase remember HAS slowed as Scotland and NW seem to be actually falling but are matched by areas like London and Yorkshire & NE now rising but the overall impact is to slow down the % numbers by which it it is going up and not as yet to create an increase in the numbers and the week to week % rising again.

That mirrors what the Zoe App has been reporting in the past week (see my post in here with the numbers yesterday.

May yet change back once the reduction in the falling regions slows and more regions escalate towards their peak but it is certainly not imo suggesting we are going to see 100K cases a day. Maybe 50K max even if it does rise as more regions reach a peak. As they should be further along the vaccination trail by that point than Scotland and NW were back in April.

But it is possible we might not go much above where we are now. Just stay round here for a little while - then - as near 100% antibodies kicks in from rising vaccinations and millions catching it in the current wave - clearly approaching the 90s% in every nation from the weekly data published on here the other day.

When these two things come together we should start to fall.

Hopefully.

Guess we will soon see.
 
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Did anyone notice the case from Belgium by the way. Reported yesterday but happened in March to an unvaccinated 90 year old woman.

She sadly died from Covid but had caught BOTH the alpha and beta variant at the same time from two separate people.

That is something I had no idea was possible.

Perhaps this is a factor in why some people just have a worse reaction than others who catch it at the same time but only have to fight off one version. A double whammy attacking the immune system.
 
Healdplace said:
Did anyone notice the case from Belgium by the way. Reported yesterday but happened in March to an unvaccinated 90 year old woman.

She sadly died from Covid but had caught BOTH the alpha and beta variant at the same time from two separate people.

That is something I had no idea was possible,
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Wow. Not seen anything about that.
 
A reminder btw that Boris is giving a press conference at 5 pm on the decision regarding opening up next week. Will be live on TV, of course,
 
Healdplace said:
I am assuming it has to be very rare or we would all have heard about this happening given the global testing on variants.
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there were reports of this really early on in the states where people had the original Wuhan strain and the newer strain that came from that ( which was the one that spread around the world ).

Its probably more common that we think.
 
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grunge said:
there were reports of this really early on in the states where people had the original Wuhan strain at the newer strain that came from that ( which was the one that spread around the world ).

Its probably more common that we think.
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Yes I recall those stories now you mention it but had forgotten them as I presumed we knew next to nothing then and had no real testing anywhere to know if this was happening rarely or commonplace. But to have caught two co existing variants at the same time in vast numbers seems hard to understand as you would assume these variants compete not cooperate and one succeeds the other by basically eliminating it.

This current one had gone from nowhere in April when it emerged in Lancashire to now be 99% of all UK cases in weeks because it is so much easier to transmit. So there is a limited window when you could even catch two different ones if one becomes so dominant,

But this is all guesswork. Hopefully one of the scientists here will explain the reality of this.

I would have thought given all the profiling we do today if this was not rare there would be studies about how it happens by now.
 
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