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metalblue said:
Why are kids of 12 or so thinking like this? Because of shit for brain anti vaxxers spreading unfounded bollocks on the internet.

We all had that jab at school where they pricked you with this circle thing and if it went away you had to have jab - can’t remember what it was called but I remember everyone thumping folk on the arm after it. I don’t remember anyone of my class mates going “nah it’ll make me grow two heads so I decline” we just cracked on with it.
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yeah that's fine, young kids are definitely influenced by adults with an agenda, sadly. I just wanted to know if every single person in the country who had vaccine hesitancy was "anti vaxx thick scum" (leaving aside medical exemption)
 
metalblue said:
Why are kids of 12 or so thinking like this? Because of shit for brain anti vaxxers spreading unfounded bollocks on the internet.
We all had that jab at school where they pricked you with this circle thing and if it went away you had to have jab - can’t remember what it was called but I remember everyone thumping folk on the arm after it. I don’t remember anyone of my class mates going “nah it’ll make me grow two heads so I decline” we just cracked on with it.
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That was for tuberculosis IIRC. The reason nobody thought it would enable Bill Gates to track every movement was because it was in the 70s and semi-conductor technology was in its infancy so microchips were too big to get through the eye of a syringe.
They still are of course but shit for brains anti-vaxxers now have the internet to spread their ignorance and generations of ill-educated gullible clowns believe the shit. - This applies to other issues as well, but let's leave that for the politics forum.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I thought same re the 19th, but think it still depends on who your school goes with - Public Health England or the local authority?

We go away to Scotland a week on Friday, so we are just glad it wasn't next week this happened.

To be honest, I don't want her going back in then for a couple days just in case...
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Pretty sure the school bubbles end on August 16th, I presume thats to allow enough time for nobody to be isolating before the new school year starts.

My 10 year old got sent home last Wednesday because a kid in the year above her tested positive and both classes use the same toilet facilities in school, absolute shitshow but there is absolutely no point getting wound up over it, she's back in this Friday for 4 days, we go away on the 31st July so even if she got sent home again there are enough days to fulfil the isolation period. If there wasnt I would be thinking the same as you and not bothering sending her in.
 
shemnel said:
yeah that's fine, young kids are definitely influenced by adults with an agenda, sadly. I just wanted to know if every single person in the country who had vaccine hesitancy was "anti vaxx thick scum" (leaving aside medical exemption)
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Adults are influenced just as much. I have 2 OAP in-laws unvaccinated due to an anti vaxer relative spreading there views.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I agree. Disastrous up to the last lock down, sensible since.

But the point I was making was that Rutte at least acknowledges the error. Our govt has never done that. And Johnson's policy is now the exact same as what Rutte apologised for, AFAIKT.
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I'm pretty sure I remember Johnson apologising for the loss of life at some point. Look - if every PM apologised for every mistake or perceived mistake during this pandemic then they wouldn't have time to do anything else.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Macron announced the start of the fourth wave on French TV last night making the non vaccinated 2nd class citizens.
Basically you can only use public transport or, or go to a bar or restaurant or other place of entertainment from now on if you are vaccinated. You also can't work in the health or care sectors from 15th September if you're not vaccinated.
I wonder how that will play out with the French population who are much more reluctant to be vaccinated than their UK neighbours (70% v 90% in surveys).
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shemnel said:
yeah that's fine, young kids are definitely influenced by adults with an agenda, sadly. I just wanted to know if every single person in the country who had vaccine hesitancy was "anti vaxx scum" (leaving aside medical exemption)
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I think hesitancy is understandable and some people are more hesitant than others. I suspect many who are hesitant and not had the jabs yet will ultimately get it once they see people don’t have side effects from having it. I’d also draw a line under it, jabs are free until such a date to try and encourage the stragglers.

But for me hesitancy is not the same as those who are vehemently opposed, the so called anti vaxxers. Ultimately we will see that they have some sort of impact in their lives to that decision; be it in their liberty (travelling for example) or job opportunities etc. Maybe even in state benefits if they are unable to work in certain sectors due to not being vaccinated - I suspect existing legislation will allow this. You want the benefits of this society? Then you play the game.
 
In a vaccination centre in Malaysia of 453 workers and volunteers screened, 204 tested positive for Covid!
 
argyle said:
My girlfriends daughter's the same. Pain in the backside. Proud of her though as she's got excellent marks despite everything. Though she's recently made friends with a former Utd players son, got a stern telling off she did.
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My mate's daughter used to be a waitress on a casual basis for Sportsman's dinners and other events. Darren Fletcher was at one whilst he was at the Rags, late in the night Fletcher asked her on a date, she said to him "no, one because I know you are married and two my Dad would kill me if he found out I had gone out with a United player".
 
BlueAnorak said:
Macron announced the start of the fourth wave on French TV last night making the non vaccinated 2nd class citizens.
Basically you can only use public transport or, or go to a bar or restaurant or other place of entertainment from now on if you are vaccinated. You also can't work in the health or care sectors from 15th September if you're not vaccinated.
I wonder how that will play out with the French population who are much more reluctant to be vaccinated than their UK neighbours (70% v 90% in surveys).
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Last Survey I saw put France at closer to 40% uptake. if that is the case Delta is gonna hit hard!

our world in data has them at just over 50% having had a jab ( single jab )
 
Lol tha Beeb this morning.
Clearly the meedja trained Oxbridge types don't think the rest of us can comprehend words like ""recommend" , "advice", "guidance" and concepts like "autonony".
They complain about the introduction of rules and laws, pretending to be the gatekeepers of liberalism, then appear to want a totalitarian state of nothing but.
Michelle Hussain, this morning, with her usual passive aggressive not listening to answers m.o., was embarrassingly poor journalism.
 
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metalblue said:
I think hesitancy is understandable and some people are more hesitant than others. I suspect many who are hesitant and not had the jabs yet will ultimately get it once they see people don’t have side effects from having it. I’d also draw a line under it, jabs are free until such a date to try and encourage the stragglers.

But for me hesitancy is not the same as those who are vehemently opposed, the so called anti vaxxers. Ultimately we will see that they have some sort of impact in their lives to that decision; be it in their liberty (travelling for example) or job opportunities etc. Maybe even in state benefits if they are unable to work in certain sectors due to not being vaccinated - I suspect existing legislation will allow this. You want the benefits of this society? Then you play the game.
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that's it though isnt it, you have some conspiracy sorts, then you have the susceptible that they influence and then the spectrum of people with opinions based on politics, ethics, medical uncertainty, balance of risk and so on and so on.

"dont take vaccine = scum of society" is precisely what the country doesn't need, and is not a balanced debate.

mandatory vaccination by job type, and vaccine passports, will create divisions in society (subcultures, angry factions etc, more extreme political stances) that far outweigh the damage that 10 - 20% of people not getting jabbed will.
 
Very gloomy and disappointing press conference last night, so much for his irreversible message a few weeks ago.
It's clear as anything that the message is enjoy it while you can, the restrictions will come back in October, it's blatantly obvious. It's like being a prisoner in Strangeways allowed a few days outside and being told you've got to go back in again.
Yesterday should have been used as the moment of joy full of spirit and optimism, we got the complete opposite from Boris and his 2 doom merchant mates.

Yet one has to ask firstly by September most of the UK population would have received both doses of the vaccination - the vaccination we were told would mean total freedom, what possible justification could they have for further lockdowns? Are they taking us for fools?
 
Tim of the Oak said:
strong feeling in our scientific communities. I have mixed views about this and vaccinations have slowed anyway.

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of course it's unethical. If there was no alternative then ok but there is. Lets be honest, some people are ok with a certain amount of people dying because they don't want to wait a few months. They will hide behind "economic" reasons etc but it's really just that they are not affected and are what i said. Alright with a certain number of people dying because they want it over.
 
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