Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Manc in London]

I agree, but are those under 50 that have died been those with other conditions, if so they will also have been vaccinated as part of group 6. Scottish figures but UK will be similar 30% of 40-49 21% of 30-39 and 13% of 18-29 have been done as part of group 6 vaccinations.

I wouldn't know, to be honest. But the same can be said for those in their 50s. I would have thought more of them may have comorbidities.

The over 50s thing is still arbitrary though.

 

[hammocity]

I think the politicisation and game-playing by the EU and Boris's triumphalism / nationalism are both equally pathetic. The limited vaccine supply has truly exposed the worst in both the EU, our own govt, and indeed human nature. I think the penny is starting to drop now that once we are all sat here smugly vaccinated we won't be able to leave these shores until everyone else is, so the dialogue really needs to shift towards establishing global expansion of mass production rather than a sad extension of the brexit debate.

Can't blame Boris for tub thumping, the EU have acted appallingly over the AZ vaccine, Boris was convinced (well his advisers were) and has reaped the reward and is enjoying his success, fair fucks to him.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data:

3 deaths - was 9 last week

190 cases - was 201 last week

1.3% positivity - was 1.4% last week

375 patients - down 7 in day - was 557 last week (huge fall in past week)

27 ventilated - up 2 in day - was 30 last week

Ventilated numbers have started slowing or edging up everywhere whilst patients still fall.

My supposition is that they are putting more ON ventilators than they once did - partly as numbers are so low (fallen in UK from over 4000 to 700 in 65 days!) - so they have the capacity they once did not. And because more are surviving than used to. So 27 sounds a lot but in Wales it was 150 just 9 weeks ago.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Just had my antibody results in 6 wks after 1st dose and it said no presence of antibodies detected. I'm immune suppressed so it wasn't guaranteed. It's absolute shattered me tbh. I've been stuck in the flat for 13 month because of this pandemic and another year before that because of an allergic reaction to a prescribed tablet. I've only been to hospitals in all that time. I live with someone who is also clinically extremely vulnerable so i can't just say fuck it in case i bring it back to her. I'm completely down atm, i'd put all my hopes into the vaccine. I can't do another year.

Really sorry to hear that mate. Here's hoping that the second dose might really help out and as others have said we get those case numbers driven right down to make things safer for you and people in your position.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales vaccination update:

1, 341, 620 first doses given - 21, 432 today - was 17, 214 yesterday & 23, 946 last week

389, 663 second doses given - 10, 868 today - was 11, 992 yesterday & 14, 565 last week

 

[Healdplace]

Zoe App today shows biggest day to day drop in a while on both measures.

Number of estimated cases based on reported to App is 4545 - down 236 on yesterday Though that was way below the number recorded by Gov UK (the school testing is why this gap seems to have widened I think - as Zoe is basically the symptomatic cases reported with few of the school ones that largely are just found and children can have no idea.)


The other big Zoe App fall today is in the total number still proclaiming to them Covid symptoms so still active cases.

Six weeks or so ago this was over 100,000. It had fallen every single day by several hundred.

Today it fell from 72, 598 to 71, 168 in 24 hours.


Slightly less good news from Zoe is that North West has slipped to third from best in the cases not second as pst few days. Owing to a big drop in London numbers.

But North West stays in the lowest band alongside South East (best) and now London. All the other regions in the north and the three nations outside England are in higher bands.

Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland are the only ones in the highest band.

 

[Cityfan]

Just had my antibody results in 6 wks after 1st dose and it said no presence of antibodies detected. I'm immune suppressed so it wasn't guaranteed. It's absolute shattered me tbh. I've been stuck in the flat for 13 month because of this pandemic and another year before that because of an allergic reaction to a prescribed tablet. I've only been to hospitals in all that time. I live with someone who is also clinically extremely vulnerable so i can't just say fuck it in case i bring it back to her. I'm completely down atm, i'd put all my hopes into the vaccine. I can't do another year.

Very sorry to hear that and hope it goes well.
I am certainly no expert on vaccinology but a few points.
One is that certainly with the Pfizer vaccine there is evidence of a much stronger antibody response following the second dose and it is probably the same with the others.
A second is that we don't really know for certain what the correlates of protection are and it is likely that the T Cell response to vaccination is probably important in preventing illness and you may well have a T cell response.
Third is that advances are occurring all the time and if you do not respond to a further vaccine so called passive immunisation may become an option.
Hope the next dose goes well.

 

[forevermancity]

Can anyone explain to me why you have to be vaccinated to fly abroad? Not looking to go abroad till next year personally but seeing plenty of people booking flights with no vaccine in sight for them

 

[Healdplace]

Cases as you know are largely irrelevant now. Especially as the school testing often calls a case a case even if the schoolchild has no symptoms and even if the lateral flow test says they are positive and then a lab test is done to check and says they are not. You would think the better test should overwrite the less accurate one.

So inevitably that is creating false cases. And even non false cases that would never have been found in the past as they are entirely asymptomatic.

I suspect that the Zoe numbers are more accurate as to cases now - we have flatlined around the 4500 mark.

The ONS data today on case numbers suggests that very clearly. They say we have flatlined. And also suggests that there are around 40 000 more active cases in the UK than the Zoe app is showing and that these are NOT falling but staying steady when Zoe - using symptomatic cases - IS falling daily.

So I think we have two different measures here - the one we get published - which is higher than the Zoe one and has risen a bit this week - but the Zoe one that is static in the mid 4000s is more akin to where we would be without all the school testing.

Another pointer here is that the number of positives in the older ages (the vaccinated) is dropping and the number in the under 18s (at school) is rising.

All this shows what is going on right now and why the data is misleading and why hospital numbers (which ARE still dropping) are the key not case numbers. Which have become quite deceptive now as a measure to rely upon.

 

[somapop]

Just had my antibody results in 6 wks after 1st dose and it said no presence of antibodies detected. I'm immune suppressed so it wasn't guaranteed. It's absolute shattered me tbh. I've been stuck in the flat for 13 month because of this pandemic and another year before that because of an allergic reaction to a prescribed tablet. I've only been to hospitals in all that time. I live with someone who is also clinically extremely vulnerable so i can't just say fuck it in case i bring it back to her. I'm completely down atm, i'd put all my hopes into the vaccine. I can't do another year.

Sorry to hear this mate. Fingers crossed for you and the vaccine.
Keep posting on here as it's a great community.