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Wow - just found out 11 of 14 now from
Exes Christmas gathering and the only 3 not to get it 2 allready has it and one suspects allready has it. Interesting. Shows how contagious it is?
 
1. We don’t make the vaccine here in any useful numbers.
2. It is well documented by medical staff that we only have enough people to administer the vaccine at the current rate.

Point 1. Astra Zeneca currently have four million doses in vials with fifteen million doses awaiting decanting. They have reiterated that by mid January they will be producing a minimum of two million doses a week. Pfizer have also confirmed that more deliveries are in the pipeline.

Point 2. From Monday the Oxford vaccine will be being delivered by many times more locations than the Pfizer vaccine is now. There is a world of difference between delivery as one needs to be in a cold chain at minus 78C and the other at normal fridge temperature.
 
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Wales first up today.

Technically two days update but when that happened at Christmas most of the second day data came the next day not the day after. So tomorrow may be higher too.

2764 cases (v 2237 last Saturday)

From 14, 816 tests. Big % positive there not much under 20%.

70 deaths (v 35 last Saturday)
 
It isnt about that for me. It's about us fucking with the dosing routines, against Pfizer's advice, rushing to try and vaccinate a whole country while a new strain is absolutely rife everywhere with very little in place to try and stop it. I get a very horrible sinking feeling we're going to create the perfect conditions for a vaccine escaping variant, and that feeling is based on countless reputable experts warning the same. Fucking hell I hope they're wrong.
You are a glass half empty sort of guy though!

Hopefully that won’t happen, I’m confident in the MHRA & JVCI making the right decisions.
 
Point 1. Astra Zeneca currently have four million doses in vials with fifteen million doses awaiting decanting. They have reiterated that by mid January they will be producing a minimum of two million doses a week. Pfizer have also confirmed that more deliveries are in the pipeline.

Point 2. From Monday the Oxford vaccine will be being deivered by many times more locations than the Pfizer vaccine is now. There is a world of difference between delivery as one needs to be in a cold chain at minus 78C and the other at normal fridge temperature.
Ignore him. He’s always posting negative shite
 
You are a glass half empty sort of guy though!

Hopefully that won’t happen, I’m confident in the MHRA & JVCI making the right decisions.
It is a gamble. And may pay off. We all must really hope it does or we are in a huge mess.

But it is one I am pretty sure they would not be making if there were enough supplies coming in faster or they had not let this rapid spreading mutation get out of control.
 
It is a gamble. And may pay off. We all must really hope it does or we are in a huge mess.

But it is one I am pretty sure they would not be making if there were enough supplies coming in faster or they had not let this rapid spreading mutation get out of control.
True, if we had a large supply of it I’m sure we would be sticking to the original dosage times.

Desperate times and all that..
 
You are a glass half empty sort of guy though!

Hopefully that won’t happen, I’m confident in the MHRA & JVCI making the right decisions.

Its not about being glass half empty. The facts are simple, they just cant get enough doses to roll out a full vaccination campaign in the space of a few months. Not with the health system being already over run. This will still be here in the summer time as the SAGE group suggest. This is going to be the biggest roll out in history and we just are not set up for that, in fact no where is. Also the vaccine isn't making you immune to the virus, it just means the chance of death fall's to very low levels. You can still catch it and infect other's after the jab. I know everyone is slating the government. But its one huge job that lots of people are underestimating. we are not going to touch the majority of the UK population until mid to late summer, and thats if everything runs exactly to plan, and the fact they are changing the dose dates suggests its far from going to plan
 
In the week before Christmas some London boroughs were apparently testing at 25% positive thanks to how far the new strain had spread.

This is coming to your area soon unfortunately.

Whether they are aiming for herd immunity or it is just an accident of delay at this rate it might happen and even beat the vaccine towards it - with a terrible cost, of course.
 
Some real negative people on this thread. It won’t last forever. Fact every fucker is getting it means less to catch it. The way I see it is every day say 80,000 probably getting it, 50,000 a day getting vaccine! That’s 130k a day less at risk.
 
In the week before Christmas some London boroughs were apparently testing at 25% positive thanks to how far the new strain had spread.

This is coming to your area soon unfortunately.

Whether they are aiming for herd immunity or it is just an accident of delay at this rate it might happen and even beat the vaccine towards it - with a terrible cost, of course.

I thought Heard immunity was a myth in this case, since people have had it multiple times, that's a plan that would always be set to fail, id also like to see the correlation between people who had the first strain, compared to the new one ? id imagine that will be the devil in the detail
 
My Dad will be 88 next week, he's due an appointment at Tameside Hospital on the 12th Jan for glaucoma examination. He's not been contacted yet for the jab but he has the same Doctor as Mrs H who has been texted to say do not contact the surgery to enquire about the vaccine. Does anyone know if I can push for him to get the jab before his appointment?
 
That reads like the U.K. Government
Well the Civil Service is the structure of the UK government. The NHS is the same in managerial structure.
Top-down command and control structures. Totally useless for fighting a pandemic where distributed tactical decision making is required.
 
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I thought Heard immunity was a myth in this case, since people have had it multiple times, that's a plan that would always be set to fail, id also like to see the correlation between people who had the first strain, compared to the new one ? id imagine that will be the devil in the detail
Very, very few have had it multiple times and only a couple have had it worse the second time round.
 
Going to get very bitter

NEU just updated: Summing up: following the SAGE meeting 22/12, and other recently published scientific papers, all of which have been ignored by the Government, we believe that it would be unsafe for Primary staff to attend work on Monday 4 Jan for whole classes. Current RAs do not take into account the new COVID variant.We are recommending that members quote section 44 of the 1996 Employment Rights Act and tell their HTs that they won’t be attending the workplace on Monday to work with whole classes. They will be available to work at home, or attend the workplace on a rota for Key Worker or vulnerable pupils. The same applies in special schools, albeit there will be more pupils who are vulnerable. An email will be sent to all members with a section 44 template letter to use. Please communicate this to all members - some won’t open emails from the union on the last weekend of the holidays!
 
No, the question was whether a different crew could make a difference.

I've given you an example showing that.

Obviously I can't do that for the uk!

The rest of your post is gibberish to me I'm afraid.
A different crew wouldn't make the slightest difference due to British government and NHS management structures.
I've spent 10 years of the last 20 working to deliver IT to them and management couldn't run a PU in a brewery.
 
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Well the Civil Service is the structure of the UK government. The NHS is the same.
Top-down command and control structures. Totally useless for fighting a pandemic where distributed tactical decision making is required.
Public Health England have been useless I agree. They responded as though this was a flu like threat and they’ve admitted this. Boris has admitted that the Government have been at fault too.

The pandemic has been terrible and there have been few positives. The person who has enhanced her reputation the most used to be a Civil Servant in our Cabinet Office. There is good and bad in all types of organisations.

There will be plenty of time for an inquiry when we get through this.
 
Going to get very bitter

NEU just updated: Summing up: following the SAGE meeting 22/12, and other recently published scientific papers, all of which have been ignored by the Government, we believe that it would be unsafe for Primary staff to attend work on Monday 4 Jan for whole classes. Current RAs do not take into account the new COVID variant.We are recommending that members quote section 44 of the 1996 Employment Rights Act and tell their HTs that they won’t be attending the workplace on Monday to work with whole classes. They will be available to work at home, or attend the workplace on a rota for Key Worker or vulnerable pupils. The same applies in special schools, albeit there will be more pupils who are vulnerable. An email will be sent to all members with a section 44 template letter to use. Please communicate this to all members - some won’t open emails from the union on the last weekend of the holidays!
Is that advice not pretty much what primary schools in tier four,are doing anyway? (key workers kids, no full classes etc)
 
When it finally gets round to it, the Dutch government looks as if it’s going to start vaccinating Health Care Workers first, perhaps ahead of and more so than vulnerable older people. It needs to decrease absenteeism amongst HCWs to prevent the system collapsing in the coming weeks and perhaps has realised that key workers have far more contacts and are thus more likely to spread it.
Health and care workers are in the next tranche for people over 75 but bellow 85.
My daughter who actually caught it in early November due to shite hospital infection control has her vaccination on Tue
 
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