Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Dubai Blue]

I have recently completed an antibody test for the NHS. There are 3 results - negative (no antibodies) - partial (some antibodies) - lots. I have had both jabs but showed negative. I know these tests are not 100% accurate but should I be concerned as this could be correct and I have no antibodies even after both jabs.

This same question keeps coming up on forums over here too, and those who seem to understand these things say it's nothing to worry about. You may show high levels of antibodies immediately after being vaccinated, but these should subside fairly quickly (usually within 3 weeks). The important thing is that your body now knows how to make the antibodies necessary to stave off illness as and when required.

I have zero understanding of this, but that's how it was explained to me by a nurse I know.

 

[grunge]

Totally agree, to me throughout all of this and I don't want to over criticize as they have done a lot of good things, the vaccine rollout is arguably the best in the world and the furlough scheme has protected jobs (not all) - but for months they have been panicked by the scientists and by SAGE. SAGE have consistently got a lot of their forecasts and modelling completely wrong throughout. How they can be given any credence anymore I really don't know.

I really hope that in the review some of these doom merchants are bought to task and if necessary face consequences for scaring a lot of the population literally to death.

How have they got there forecasts and modelling wrong?

 

[hcblue95]

Totally agree, to me throughout all of this and I don't want to over criticize as they have done a lot of good things, the vaccine rollout is arguably the best in the world and the furlough scheme has protected jobs (not all) - but for months they have been panicked by the scientists and by SAGE. SAGE have consistently got a lot of their forecasts and modelling completely wrong throughout. How they can be given any credence anymore I really don't know.

I really hope that in the review some of these doom merchants are bought to task and if necessary face consequences for scaring a lot of the population literally to death.

I think the government ignoring the scientists is where we've gone wrong mate.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

How have they got there forecasts and modelling wrong?

They have consistently, way off with estimates, reported widely in the press.

 

[tomomcfc]

This same question keeps coming up on forums over here too, and those he seem to understand these things say it's nothing to worry about. You may show high levels of antibodies immediately after being vaccinated, but these should subside fairly quickly (usually within 3 weeks). The important thing is that your body now knows how to make the antibodies necessary to stave off illness as and when required.

I have zero understanding of this, but that's how it was explained to me by a nurse I know.

Memory B and T cells

 

[grunge]

They have consistently, way off with estimates, reported widely in the press.

Name them?

there are 2 that come to mind,

1. was the 500k deaths if we do nothing. and with 151k deaths so far with all the measures and lockdowns id say that was probably an underestimate if we did nothing. we over ran ICU in some places even with lockdowns. if we did nothing we'd have been hit like India is right now.

2. late last year Whitty and Vallance presenting graphs to say what the growth would look like which was maybe a month out.

Also, small point, most of what has hit the press is when a single member of sage speaks out from there own data set. Sage is a large group of experts that provide there own expert points which will all be taken into consideration or ignored by the government.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

I have recently completed an antibody test for the NHS. There are 3 results - negative (no antibodies) - partial (some antibodies) - lots. I have had both jabs but showed negative. I know these tests are not 100% accurate but should I be concerned as this could be correct and I have no antibodies even after both jabs.

I am immune supressed so had an antibody test after my 1st vaccine which was negative. I have since been told by my doctor that i was only tested to see if i had antibodies from a previous covid infection and not vaccine induced antibodies. It seems that the 2 are different and a test has to specifically look for each. Something about looking for spike protein antibodies. There is a test available online( Roche i think) that says it looks for both. Im thinking of ordering one.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

They have consistently, way off with estimates, reported widely in the press.

In which case, you'll be able to provide links to these " way off" forecasts.

Typically, what's happened is a range of scenarios is evaluated. Such as "if we do nothing, we can expect deaths in the range of X to Y". The government then takes action, deaths are below X and idiots pronounce the forecast was wrong.

This is akin to building a sea wall, then confidently declaring it was a waste of money because flooding didn't happen.

Actually, the most cogent criticism of SAGE is that they were too complacent of the risks before the first wave, facilitated a disastrous "herd immunity" policy to be followed, and didn't follow the evidence from around the world that doubling times were half what they initially were modelled as.

 

[artfuldodger]

I am immune supressed so had an antibody test after my 1st vaccine which was negative. I have since been told by my doctor that i was only tested to see if i had antibodies from a previous covid infection and not vaccine induced antibodies. It seems that the 2 are different and a test has to specifically look for each. Something about looking for spike protein antibodies. There is a test available online( Roche i think) that says it looks for both. Im thinking of ordering one.

I’m part of a trial. There are S antibodies which come from a vaccination. And N antibodies which come from having had COVID. In our family, my 21 year old unvaccinated son has none, Ive had 2 jabs and have S antibodies, my partner and daughter have both N and S. They’re both vaccinated but had no idea they’ve ever had COVID.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

As a married bloke with kids sexual activity is something I only see on telly. I do wonder though if todays easing of restrictions will mean there will be more shagging going on this week?