Coronavirus (2021) thread

[aguero93:20]

It's gone so badly wrong here so my question is what has gone even further badly wrong in Ireland for them to get to where they are now? A bad, bad way.

People lost it with the restrictions and stopped obeying them, once the politicians started taking the piss. We lost hope really.

 

[Summerbuzz]

I remembered we were given figures on traffic levels by our scientists back in March, but hadn't seen any since.

I've found these from today's Times, who appear to have sourced them from Apple.

This is the first three days in March's lockdown, compared with the first three days of the current lockdown (100 would be the average in normal circumstances)

the article is here:

Shock therapy: Boris Johnson’s critics say cabinet needs massive jolt

If Boris Johnson thought performing his biggest pandemic pirouette to date — closing schools that a day earlier he had declared would remain open — would be

www.thetimes.co.uk

Driving
	First Lockdown	Second Lockdown
Birmingham	37	66
England	36	62
Leeds	38	68
London	34	56
Manchester	34	60

Walking
	First Lockdown	Second Lockdown
Birmingham	42	76
England	37	61
Leeds	47	78
London	24	38
Manchester	44	68

 

[ayrshire_blue]

People lost it with the restrictions and stopped obeying them, once the politicians started taking the piss. We lost hope really.

Isn't that the case in a lot of places though, particularly the UK? I know we're up shit creek but it's mad how Ireland can somehow be so much even worse off (at this stage) in terms of numbers per population.

 

[ctwrd]

I remembered we were given figures on traffic levels by our scientists back in March, but hadn't seen any since.

I've found these from today's Times, who appear to have sourced them from Apple.

This is the first three days in March's lockdown, compared with the first three days of the current lockdown (100 would be the average in normal circumstances)

the article is here:

Shock therapy: Boris Johnson’s critics say cabinet needs massive jolt

If Boris Johnson thought performing his biggest pandemic pirouette to date — closing schools that a day earlier he had declared would remain open — would be

www.thetimes.co.uk

Driving
	First Lockdown	Second Lockdown
Birmingham	37	66
England	36	62
Leeds	38	68
London	34	56
Manchester	34	60

Walking
	First Lockdown	Second Lockdown
Birmingham	42	76
England	37	61
Leeds	47	78
London	24	38
Manchester	44	68

The slight difference is that businesses didn’t know what to do in March. Had to adapt to become covid secure. Large numbers were furloughed.
This time businesses are trying to make up their lost revenue, have adapted and made themselves “covid secure” and they don’t have the appetite to issue mass furlough to send everyone home.
It therefore does make sense that there will be more numbers now than March.
The question is how much do he government want to force businesses to cease activity to lower it even more.
personally, I think we need to wait more than one week to draw any conclusions. This is all knock on of December. It takes 4 weeks minimum to see the effect of any changes to restrictions.
Some one here would happily force businesses to close despite the hardship that would cause so many and reduction in standard of living and consequently length of life for those people.
There’s loads of reports and data studies about less well off areas being worst effected by the virus. They are worst effected by restrictions also.

 

[Del_Bosque]

Was a heatwave for the lockdown last year so people were happy to sit in their garden or walk to the shops

Now anywhere you go, your going in the car

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

The slight difference is that businesses didn’t know what to do in March. Had to adapt to become covid secure. Large numbers were furloughed.
This time businesses are trying to make up their lost revenue, have adapted and made themselves “covid secure” and they don’t have the appetite to issue mass furlough to send everyone home.
It therefore does make sense that there will be more numbers now than March.
The question is how much do he government want to force businesses to cease activity to lower it even more.
personally, I think we need to wait more than one week to draw any conclusions. This is all knock on of December. It takes 4 weeks minimum to see the effect of any changes to restrictions.
Some one here would happily force businesses to close despite the hardship that would cause so many and reduction in standard of living and consequently length of life for those people.
There’s loads of reports and data studies about less well off areas being worst effected by the virus. They are worst effected by restrictions also.

yhp, we've been told no furlough.

 

[Summerbuzz]

The slight difference is that businesses didn’t know what to do in March. Had to adapt to become covid secure. Large numbers were furloughed.
This time businesses are trying to make up their lost revenue, have adapted and made themselves “covid secure” and they don’t have the appetite to issue mass furlough to send everyone home.
It therefore does make sense that there will be more numbers now than March.
The question is how much do he government want to force businesses to cease activity to lower it even more.
personally, I think we need to wait more than one week to draw any conclusions. This is all knock on of December. It takes 4 weeks minimum to see the effect of any changes to restrictions.
Some one here would happily force businesses to close despite the hardship that would cause so many and reduction in standard of living and consequently length of life for those people.
There’s loads of reports and data studies about less well off areas being worst effected by the virus. They are worst effected by restrictions also.

It's a safe bet there's a large amount of non-commercial traffic in those areas. That surely can be targetted immediately.

I still maintain that Boris blew the unspoken commitment of many socially aware and consciencious people with the abrupt pre-Christmas u-turn. And performed the same trick again at the start of the new year Schools.

Then he blew the opportunity to engage people fully on the lockdown by making the briefings and the discussion about the distribution of Vaccines. The public become focused on something they really can't affect in any realistic manner, instead of the urgent need for everyone need to modify behaviour. You can go back in this thread and see this in action.

His third briefing, where he sent a much stronger message on compliance, was too little too late. You have to put the important message you need in people's minds up front. That's basic communications. What Boris did was put his target, his ambition up front. It's a mistake made by a narcissist. Any number of politicians might have made it - Boris is guaranteed to.

I don't understand why Whitty is the face of the campaign to get people to change their behaviour. Why not Boris, or the popular JVT?

 

[Healdplace]

A few halftime updates.

 

[Healdplace]

Scotland

1877 cases at 10,0% positive

3 deaths. But this is Sunday data.

1598 in hospital (up 2)

123 on ventilators (up 14) Biggest daily rise here in ages.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Covid-19: Tests on students are highly inaccurate, early findings show

The UK government’s plans for community testing for covid-19 received a further blow this week when early results from students testing at the University of Birmingham and universities in Scotland showed that tests had a sensitivity of just 3% and that 58% of positive test results were false...

www.bmj.com

That's lateral flow, not PCR.