Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

Btw a major data outage (another one!) yesterday means no deaths will be available from England hospitals today. They have only published the Saturday and Sunday numbers.

The issue has been resolved so they will post two days tomorrow.

Deaths still rising and the first 100 + death in England hospitals recorded at 5 days since 8 March.

NW deaths though down on last weekend.

 

[unicorn]

I think the argument is that for a population of 50k, each single case would be worth 2 in the population score (i think it's done per 100k - correct me if i'm wrong) whereas in a population of 100k, each case would only be worth 1. Obvously simple numbers to highlight the point, but i think that's what was being got at.

A good example of that was when tiny Rutland (pop. 39,000) briefly had the highest cases per 100k population after a Covid outbreak of a few hundred prisoners at a prison on the border with Lincolnshire. There were hardly any cases in the rest of the county, and an outbreak in a larger Local Authority wouldn't have made the same impact on the stats.

 

[Manchester33]

Btw a major data outage (another one!) yesterday means no deaths will be available from England hospitals today. They have only published the Saturday and Sunday numbers.

The issue has been resolved so they will post two days tomorrow.

Deaths still rising and the first 100 + death in England hospitals recorded at 5 days since 8 March.

NW deaths though down on last weekend.

This is getting tedious now. Heads should be rolling. Such a poor reflection on our country that we can't even produce data consistently.

 

[Healdplace]

It is worrying it goes wrong so much but I imagine so many have got used to using this technology during lockdown that is is now in great demand and maybe over stressed.

It looks as if someone had a word as Gov UK have put a message up saying they have delayed todays data until England hospitals provide them with the death numbers for today.

Just a warning numbers will be up in cases as Wales had that 3 day data dump of 6398 last Tuesday after their prolonged glitch and not two days as usual on Monday.

So today they had 4983 cases for just the past two days and zero were reported last Monday which is bound to create a UK increase week to week today. But probably then a drop tomorrow.

Which the media might report but not be aware of the reason behind.

 

[unicorn]

It is worrying it goes wrong so much but I imagine so many have got used to using this technology during lockdown that is is now in great demand and maybe over stressed.

It looks as if someone had a word as Gov UK have put a message up saying they have delayed todays data until England hospitals provide them with the death numbers for today.

I worked at a strategic level (in Finance) for 30 odd years and before Covid I don't ever remember death numbers being a feature of NHS reporting, except in the context of unexpected clinical outcomes. I imagine a lot of the analysis of trends in deaths only occurred annually.

Hospitals really had to respond in rapid time to get information on deaths attributed to Covid, often with clerical staff working from home. The impression of a real-time reporting system adding deaths by Covid when the death occurs was far from the reality.

 

[blueparrot]

This is getting tedious now. Heads should be rolling. Such a poor reflection on our country that we can't even produce data consistently.

How do we know other countries don’t have sinilar issues after all it’s hardly headline news. Nobody would know we had issues if we didn’t get told in this thread.

 

[Healdplace]

I worked at a strategic level (in Finance) for 30 odd years and before Covid I don't ever remember death numbers being a feature of NHS reporting, except in the context of unexpected clinical outcomes. I imagine a lot of the analysis of trends in deaths only occurred annually.

Hospitals really had to respond in rapid time to get information on deaths attributed to Covid, often with clerical staff working from home. The impression of a real-time reporting system adding deaths by Covid when the death occurs was far from the reality.

Thank you that would make sense.

But this is the first time I recall the England deaths being a problem. And only for today. They posted the Saturday and Sunday numbers as usual earlier. Only Mondays were nt available. These are always the lowest of the week.Around 20 or 30.

The range of data issues in recent weeks have covered almost every nation and various regions and multiple different things causing them - mostly tests lost by lanbs or not returned on time or case data not available through glitches in whatever set up some region uses etc.

I am sure you are right though that getting so much extra data out day after day is a big ask when the NHS surely has other priorities than feeding a data web site on time. And so many other things they will be months if not years behind on catching up with by now.

 

[Healdplace]

How do we know other countries don’t have sinilar issues after all it’s hardly headline news. Nobody would know we had issues if we didn’t get told in this thread.

You should see Twitter every time it happens. They make sure people do know. And the conspiracy theories are often amusing.

It is less concerning now than it was when the data really mattered as it often involved things going AWOL in the chain from test to case. But we are doing so many these days I guess that is inevitable now and then.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I worked at a strategic level (in Finance) for 30 odd years and before Covid I don't ever remember death numbers being a feature of NHS reporting, except in the context of unexpected clinical outcomes. I imagine a lot of the analysis of trends in deaths only occurred annually.

Hospitals really had to respond in rapid time to get information on deaths attributed to Covid, often with clerical staff working from home. The impression of a real-time reporting system adding deaths by Covid when the death occurs was far from the reality.

Adjusted mortality rate data was collected for a long time and initially ignored eg in the case of Tue Staffordshire Hospitals scandal. The daily Covid death information collections had to be in place during the crisis and it relies on a lot of goodwill like you said.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Unvaccinated people are up to 32 times more likely to die from Covid


https://mol.im/a/10152287