Coronavirus (2021) thread

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roubaixtuesday said:
I have no idea how infecting people to achieve immunity, with the disease, hospitalisation and death that has accompanied it is a better way to "make this virus endemic" than vaccinating people, but doubtless I'm missing something.

1000 people a week are dying right now, and a quarter of a million off school.
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But we do have to live too and keep an economy alive.....

I'm always interested by your posts because they do often appear on the negative side. I'm not playing down Covid in the slightest, it's been and continues to be horrific. But, we do have to find a way forward, for our kids and for everything else
 
Isn't this dfference just because we were fairly late in choosing to vaccinate schoolchildren and our numbers were usually cited as a percentage of those 18 and over? Or something like that?

Not to mention the smaller the country the easier it will be to get near 90% and fast.

We covered the most vulnerable in quick time but then slowed down when the issues over vaccine safety became a talking point. Democracies that allow choice will always find it harder to persuade than impose.
 
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Healdplace said:
Isn't this dfference just because we were fairly late in choosing to vaccinate schoolchildren and our numbers were usually cited as a percentage of those 18 and over? Or something like that?

Not to mention the smaller the country the easier it will be to get near 90% and fast.
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Sometimes stats are quoted as %(eligible population), and sometimes as %(total population), which is the difference in this case.

re the latter point, Spain wants to have a quiet word.
 
wolfie1988 said:
But we do have to live too and keep an economy alive.....

I'm always interested by your posts because they do often appear on the negative side. I'm not playing down Covid in the slightest, it's been and continues to be horrific. But, we do have to find a way forward, for our kids and for everything else
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By letting people just catch the virus instead of vaccination you risk the whole Gamut of side issues like long covid which have a big impact on the economy as it can take people out of work for months. However with the level of Vaccinations we have I cant see there being a huge amount of choice. we kinda hit a wall with people willing to have it.
 
Healdplace said:
Isn't this dfference just because we were fairly late in choosing to vaccinate schoolchildren and our numbers were usually cited as a percentage of those 18 and over? Or something like that?

Not to mention the smaller the country the easier it will be to get near 90% and fast.

We covered the most vulnerable in quick time but then slowed down when the issues over vaccine safety became a talking point. Democracies that allow choice will always find it harder to persuade than impose.
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Quite a few European countries have made vaccination passports mandatory to do certain things and this has forced take up to increase. The UK hasn’t done this of course.

I was reading that vaccine take up in Germany has stalled badly at a lower percentage than the UK & cases are increasing rapidly there. It will be interesting to see what they do with passports but regardless I don’t see a change in UK policy for the general population. I think take up in the UK of eligible groups has exceeded expectations.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I was reading that vaccine take up in Germany has stalled badly at a lower percentage than the UK
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Within a single % point according to ourworldindata.

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I read recently that the vaccine passport approach was driving this up, but it doesn't look like a very radical improvement.

Cases and deaths both currently about half ours per capita.
 
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