Coronavirus (2021) thread

[MillionMilesAway]

Hopefully they've been allocating the vaccines in such a way that we've built in the lag time between doses to replenish our stocks of each vaccine for the second dose i.e. moving over to Oxford vaccines to allow us time to replenish the Pfizer stocks for the second doses.

I think "hopefully" is the key word there.

Pfizer has presumably been all but used, and should be being stopped completely if Pfizer production is being limited for a time.

By a back of envelope calculations:
We'd need 50 million or so total by the start of April - we had about 25 million I think at New Year.

We'd then need about 15-20 million a month if they want 2M a week (assuming the 2M are first time shots). I think there would be a lot anger if it dropped to 1M/week first time shots come April, especially if there is no open statement about that.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

25, 008 care home residents in the UK have had Covid mentioned on death certificates. That is a big percentage of all the tragic deaths in the nation and - whilst it is never going to be easy to tackle them - the fact this was obvious as a big problem from day one (the first major western outbreak was in a Seattle care home before we locked down) - our inability to address it will be one of the first scandals once we do emerge from where we are now into whatever the new normal this Summer looks like. Because it was predictable and not completely avoidable but not enough was done to stop it becoming a disaster.

And it's the one gap in the the otherwise excellent so far vaccine rollout. Denmark prioritised care homes and has vaccinated the entire country's residents. We're still a way off.

Not intended as a big criticism, just an observation that they're still not getting top priority.

 

[cleavers]

Call 111 , they will get a dr to call you back and give you antibiotics ,they send it to whatever chemist you want and you just collect it , do it now

He'll need someone to collect it, as he'll have to stay isolated.

 

[Healdplace]

Trials to start early February on a mix of the Oxford vaccine and the Russian Sputnik that is hoped to improve efficacy.

Anyone able to comment if this is a credible expectation?

 

[Healdplace]

And it's the one gap in the the otherwise excellent so far vaccine rollout. Denmark prioritised care homes and has vaccinated the entire country's residents. We're still a way off.

Not intended as a big criticism, just an observation that they're still not getting top priority.

Scotland seem to have vaccinated the majority of care home residents given regular updates on numbers Nicola Sturgeon reports. No idea where the rest are at.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Started with symptoms today. Headache, cough (not bad, but regular) and got the shivers. FFS!

Got to say I'm a bit freaked out. I was yesterday, wondering when/if I'd get it, but shit just got real.

Mrs got symptoms last Friday, tested Sat, positive result Sunday morning. She's ok but feeling groggy and completely lost her voice now. I told her not to be working doing online lessons (from home) yesterday, but no...

Reckon she got it last Monday in school as a colleague who was working in the same staff-room tested +ve on Thursday. But who knows?

Can't believe the school were still insisting that they go in to do remote lessons. The cunts.

I got a test kit delivered, but spoke to Test and Trace (for her as she can't speak) and they said there's no point doing it now as we're isolating for 10 days from today anyway. Just assume I've also got it.

Fingers crossed for everyone who's in a similar boat.

wishing you a speedy recovery.

 

[blueparrot]

And it's the one gap in the the otherwise excellent so far vaccine rollout. Denmark prioritised care homes and has vaccinated the entire country's residents. We're still a way off.

Not intended as a big criticism, just an observation that they're still not getting top priority.

Some areas of the UK have done care homes first too, think Newcastle have done most care homes, and Scotland too has done care homes first.Both have done almost all care home residents.

 

[shemnel]

depending on the care home provider, between 5 and 20% of care home staff have refused a vaccine when offered, and up tp 2.7% of residents. I wonder what the overall uptake up to now is?

 

[M18CTID]

Agreed, and that works across all countries when it comes to holidays.

The arrogance of some of the reporting in this country around holidays abroad this year, is surely typical Little Englander?

It will not be our choice to make.

Other countries around the world will be at different stages of their own vaccine programme, so it is pretty arrogant thinking for some outlets to suggest Gary and Sharon can have their two weeks in Marbs this summer, just because they have had their jab?

They are just as likely to remain potential carriers of the virus and still be able to transmit it to others (those not fortunate enough to have had a jab yet)

Equating risk can't be a personal choice, sadly, not in these times.

This is a global challenge and the laws have to be considered for the greater good.

If that means a week in Devon rather than Spain, then people have to accept that.

I have been genuinely shocked how many people assume this vaccine is the white Knight on a fiery steed.

Spot on. I alluded to this the other week but didn’t articulate it quite as well as you have. I’d ask some of these people what’s wrong with a week in Devon anyway. There are so many beautiful places all over the UK and this would be the ideal opportunity to try them out, while putting the holidays abroad on the back burner until other countries are up to speed with their own vaccination programmes.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

When did we decide vaccines don't reduce ability to transmit the virus by the way?

Last I heard in December the Oxford trials had shown greatly reduced ability to transmit the virus and Pfizer and Moderna were conducting trials with the results pending?

Did I miss a big study coming out on mucosal immunity or are people just taking the "assume the worst until proven otherwise" approach?

Fact check: Scientists do not yet know whether the COVID-19 vaccine reduces transmission of the virus

A Facebook post, shared hundreds of times since Jan. 15, claims that the COVID-19 vaccine does not prevent transmission of the disease, meaning vaccinated people will effectively become “silent spreaders”. It uses this as an argument against introducing health passports. This claim, however...

www.reuters.com

no evidence base for either, at the moment

Actually there has been some recent evidence on the topic of transmission capacity through the ongoing studies with Pfizer and Israel as part of their collaborative agreement for clinical feedback for priority vaccine supplies. Needs to be firmed up more obviously but all eyes are on Israel/PFZ

Pfizer vaccine may prevent transmission of coronavirus to others, Israeli study suggests (msn.com)

Professor Gili Regev-Yohai, director of Sheba’s Infectious Disease Epidemiology Unit, said that people who received both doses of the vaccine will most likely not become carriers of the virus and will not spread it further due to the high level of antibodies they have obtained.