Coronavirus (2021) thread

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I don't know how practical what you suggest specifically is.

But I am certain that 1 year of half-arsed measures introduced too late and relaxed too early have been completely the wrong approach and have failed dismally as any kind of strategy.

I am sure the government has had all the best intentions, trying to save lives and protect the NHS whilst at the same time wanting to preserve as many jobs as possible and to disrupt individual freedoms as little as possible. But the end result has been an utter disaster with nearly 100,000 dead and counting. This is a terrible outcome which could have been SO much better.

And the huge irony is that they have also failed at protecting jobs and personal freedoms, because the lockdowns have had to go on for much, much longer with a far more damaging effect... compared to had we grasped the nettle, acted quicker and been more strict. The first lockdown could I reckon have finished 6 weeks sooner had we started it 2 weeks earlier, for example.
All fair comments however we see things in a one, two or even three dimensional way. Anyone governing a country had to make judgements with a multitude of different issues often pulling in opposite direction. Whatever and whichever way you move it’s going to disappoint some. It’s an impossible task, which anyone in opposition will be grateful not to be in power.
 
No i didnt , i was busy having covid and then long covid

You dont just arrive on a beach , you have to pack into airports and on planes , airports abroad are notorious for being packed , at every step there is no social distancing

Masks were mandatory on every flight I took, and adhered to by the other passengers. Some of my flights were half empty too, and most were far from capacity.

Airports abroad (and in England) were extremely quiet as numbers were so far down on normal, and people respected the distancing, continued to wear their mask etc

Having witnessed how some people behave in the supermarkets here, I'd say there is a lot more social distancing and mask wearing in an airport than your local Asda.

I'd love to see a link to your claims about returning holidaymakers though.
 
Yes, because they are only doing second doses of the Pfizer vaccine that started first doses about 6 weeks ago. The Oxford ones came later and nobody is at the 12 weeks before the second of those is due until April.

Most will have the Oxford vaccine in coming weeks as the Pfizer plant in Belgium is being redesigned to up capacity so deliveries to Europe will fall in next few weeks.

Numbers have been falling in all 4 nations of the second doses given for a week or two now.

Thanks. That’s true for the AZ vaccine as well, alas.
 
Look at New Zealand completely back to normal sadly for us that feels a lifetime away. I know you can’t really compare the two countries but you can compare leadership. Seen as though they get on top of it straight away whilst Boris initial plan was herd immunity and that mass gatherings weren’t a problem at first hence allowing Cheltenham etc
Not a realistic comparison, much lower density population wise, although also an island, actually 2, it is very remote whereas it less than 25 miles across the Channel. Think New Zealand is about 2500 miles, much more isolated and easier to keep borders closed.
 
To be fair hardly anyone I know went abroad for a holiday last year, only one couple in our office and none of my family or friends.
2 friends went to Calle Di Mijas in Spain to shut their apartment down for the winter, both tested on their return home as they operate taxis. One caught it, the other didn't, not sure how this can happen but I'm sure we'll find out in years to come.
 
Masks were mandatory on every flight I took, and adhered to by the other passengers. Some of my flights were half empty too, and most were far from capacity.

Airports abroad (and in England) were extremely quiet as numbers were so far down on normal, and people respected the distancing, continued to wear their mask etc

Having witnessed how some people behave in the supermarkets here, I'd say there is a lot more social distancing and mask wearing in an airport than your local Asda.

I'd love to see a link to your claims about returning holidaymakers though.

I think the dangers of travel are as much in behaviours whilst away rather than the travel itself (though I suspect you may be underestimating exposure risk there).

How many people go on holiday and adhere to the rules away to the same extent they do at home? I would hazard a guess that a large slice of the attraction of going to Dubai is precisely that the rules are laxer.
 
Masks were mandatory on every flight I took, and adhered to by the other passengers. Some of my flights were half empty too, and most were far from capacity.

Airports abroad (and in England) were extremely quiet as numbers were so far down on normal, and people respected the distancing, continued to wear their mask etc

Having witnessed how some people behave in the supermarkets here, I'd say there is a lot more social distancing and mask wearing in an airport than your local Asda.

I'd love to see a link to your claims about returning holidaymakers though.
i honestly wouldnt know where to find a link , i just followed things in real time
 
2 friends went to Calle Di Mijas in Spain to shut their apartment down for the winter, both tested on their return home as they operate taxis. One caught it, the other didn't, not sure how this can happen but I'm sure we'll find out in years to come.
Yeah, my partner has had it but I didn't.
The studies into why this happens will be fascinating but an article on BBC news this morning said, again, the scientists are looking at blood. Some people's immune systems go into overdrive yet others don't. Weird.
 
2 friends went to Calle Di Mijas in Spain to shut their apartment down for the winter, both tested on their return home as they operate taxis. One caught it, the other didn't, not sure how this can happen but I'm sure we'll find out in years to come.
IIt is possible to have a very low level of the virus in the body with a negative test result or it could be they've caught it on the flight back maybe. Mask-wearing on flight for example might just have helped.

Also i think the swab only determines if COVID is present. I don't think it determines if the person has ever had it - blood test would show if the non-affected might have had it before.
 
I think the dangers of travel are as much in behaviours whilst away rather than the travel itself (though I suspect you may be underestimating exposure risk there).

How many people go on holiday and adhere to the rules away to the same extent they do at home? I would hazard a guess that a large slice of the attraction of going to Dubai is precisely that the rules are laxer.

I absolutely agree with this, and again only going off my experiences but people were just happy and grateful to be away so they were following the local rules and regulations very closely (and these rules were more enforced and robust than back in the UK).

There was one occasion in Zante where people would congregate at the beach after midnight when the bars chucked out, and there was more mixing and less distancing than there should have been, but in my 6 occasions between July and December that's the only time I thought 'that shouldn't really be happening' (as a sidenote I think the Greek government should have allowed bars to stagger close to avoid that possible scenario)

The rules were possibly more relaxed in Dubai because of the requirement to be either tested on arrival or land with a negative test taken within the previous 72 hours? I've never been so I don't know, but Dubai isn't a place where you'd want to break the rules. My mate was there recently and he said all the COVID stuff was enforced, but they did have a sharp rise of cases so who knows.
 
Yeah, my partner has had it but I didn't.
The studies into why this happens will be fascinating but an article on BBC news this morning said, again, the scientists are looking at blood. Some people's immune systems go into overdrive yet others don't. Weird.

Its odd isn’t it.
I know someone who’s a bit of an overweight alcy (functioning, good job etc) but got over it with relative ease.
Then there’s me who runs/long walks every day, eats healthily & barely drinks absolutely hammered by it (2 weeks in).

The doc over the phone mentioned the irony of that. The body wasn’t used to getting ill so went into this over dramatic loop. I never followed up what he said (concentration is v low) but struck me as rather interesting.
 
IIt is possible to have a very low level of the virus in the body with a negative test result or it could be they've caught it on the flight back maybe. Mask-wearing on flight for example might just have helped.

Also i think the swab only determines if COVID is present. I don't think it determines if the person has ever had it - blood test would show if the non-affected might have had it before.
Yep agree with that but they have had regular tests due to the nature of their business. My understanding is an antibody/blood test would determine a level of immunity, I guess this virus will keep scientists busy for many years to come.
 
i honestly wouldnt know where to find a link , i just followed things in real time

Was quite a big claim you made.

''People insisting on going abroad in the summer has hugely contributed to the spread in infections''

But you have absolutely nothing to back it up with?
Is that because you want it to be true, but it might not actually be true?
 
Was quite a big claim you made.

''People insisting on going abroad in the summer has hugely contributed to the spread in infections''

But you have absolutely nothing to back it up with?
Is that because you want it to be true, but it might not actually be true?
I followed covid and patterns , everything in real time as it happened , i have no link to give you. You went abroad six times in a pandemic ? You should think about that
 
Its odd isn’t it.
I know someone who’s a bit of an overweight alcy (functioning, good job etc) but got over it with relative ease.
Then there’s me who runs/long walks every day, eats healthily & barely drinks absolutely hammered by it (2 weeks in).

The doc over the phone mentioned the irony of that. The body wasn’t used to getting ill so went into this over dramatic loop. I never followed up what he said (concentration is v low) but struck me as rather interesting.
Are you fully recovered now? I had fatigue for quite a few weeks after the initial illness that lasted around 16 days?
 
Its odd isn’t it.
I know someone who’s a bit of an overweight alcy (functioning, good job etc) but got over it with relative ease.
Then there’s me who runs/long walks every day, eats healthily & barely drinks absolutely hammered by it (2 weeks in).

The doc over the phone mentioned the irony of that. The body wasn’t used to getting ill so went into this over dramatic loop. I never followed up what he said (concentration is v low) but struck me as rather interesting.
It is certainly interesting and, like you already know, some "fit" people get very poorly yet some (like my partner's Dad) are seemingly vulnerable but skip through it.
Glad to read you are feeling better though, must have been scary for a while :-(
 
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