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mackenzie said:
Had a phone call off my mum's nursing home this morning. Though it was Covid related, but apparently not. Her cancer has progressed but she has refused any treatment or "interference." She has always been like this.
So an end of life plan will be put into place, but I can only go and see her when she is nearing the end.
Have wept a few times today. She deserves someone there, at the end
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So sorry to read this, can barely even begin to imagine what you're going through. Thoughts with you all.
 
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This is what we want to all hear.

at 420,000 vaccinations a day I should get my first jab arround mid March. Ready for the pubs to be open. Happy Days.
 
mackenzie said:
Had a phone call off my mum's nursing home this morning. Though it was Covid related, but apparently not. Her cancer has progressed but she has refused any treatment or "interference." She has always been like this.
So an end of life plan will be put into place, but I can only go and see her when she is nearing the end.
Have wept a few times today. She deserves someone there, at the end
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Thats awful Mackenzie , what a terrible ordeal for you and your mum.
 
mackenzie said:
Had a phone call off my mum's nursing home this morning. Though it was Covid related, but apparently not. Her cancer has progressed but she has refused any treatment or "interference." She has always been like this.
So an end of life plan will be put into place, but I can only go and see her when she is nearing the end.
Have wept a few times today. She deserves someone there, at the end
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Sorry to hear this mate, nobody should have to be in such a predicament.

I hope your mum is made as comfortable as possible and you do get proper time to say goodbye.

Best wishes.
 
Wales 3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v today


54 d / 1644 c / ?? / ?? / 1881 pat/ 135 vent

46 d / 1153 c / 8.8% / Weekly Pop 281 / 1832 pat/ 134 vent

59 d / 705 c / 5.9% / Weekly Pop 190 / 1722 pat / 134 vent

35 d / 544 c / 4.7% / Weekly Pop 127 / 1638 pat / 113 vent


Again all on a downward curve
 
mackenzie said:
Had a phone call off my mum's nursing home this morning. Though it was Covid related, but apparently not. Her cancer has progressed but she has refused any treatment or "interference." She has always been like this.
So an end of life plan will be put into place, but I can only go and see her when she is nearing the end.
Have wept a few times today. She deserves someone there, at the end
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Sorry to hear that, stay strong for both of you.
 
mackenzie said:
I've no idea Kaz, but will suggest it to the staff.
Thank you x
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This is such sad news and I do hope that you can get something resolved here.

From my experience with care homes they will understand and try to help but will have red tape and justifications to give to higher ups as to everything they do. That was pre pandemic. So probably now they feel like the eyes of the world are watching every move.

But they will want to do what they can by the nature of what they do and I hope you can work out a solution quickly in these harrowing times for you both.

This virus is so awful for the way it is not respecting human decency and love.
 
Thank you all for the good wishes.
My mum's a bit of an "odd one."
Schizophrenia for much of her adult life, and our relationship has never been "normal" and we were estranged for many years, until 2016.
Since then though, when she was placed in a nursing home (bluebell court in Broughton, Salford) it has been much better.
She gets the necessary meds now (something she avoided for years, but that's often how it is with cases like hers).
She will do things in her own way and I respect that. She refuses treatment and interference now, even though she fully understands that she now has cancer in its latter stages.
People should be allowed to do that I think.

I'm very proud of her.
 
Healdplace said:
This is such sad news and I do hope that you can get something resolved here.

From my experience with care homes they will understand and try to help but will have red tape and justifications to give to higher ups as to everything they do. That was pre pandemic. So probably now they feel like the eyes of the world are watching every move.

But they will want to do what they can by the nature of what they do and I hope you can work out a solution quickly in these harrowing times for you both.

This virus is so awful for the way it is not respecting human decency and love.
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The nursing home have been lovely throughout.
When it was her 74th birthday last April I telephoned, hoping to wish her happy birthday.
When the staff knew this they got her to the phone and then sang happy birthday behind her ;-)
One of my dearest memories ever ;-)
 
mackenzie said:
Had a phone call off my mum's nursing home this morning. Though it was Covid related, but apparently not. Her cancer has progressed but she has refused any treatment or "interference." She has always been like this.
So an end of life plan will be put into place, but I can only go and see her when she is nearing the end.
Have wept a few times today. She deserves someone there, at the end
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So sorry to hear that.

There has to be a better way of doing this than leaving people alone, where is the humanity in that?
 
Healdplace said:
It was a fairly widespread assumption in the west and much planning was built around it.

Why the far east coped much better as they have had a history of these viruses spreading quickly but they never got beyond there in the past and stopped before they went pandemic.

The west seriously under estimated this risk.

About a year before Covid hit there was a BBC documentary that simulated a UK pandemic and was scarily predictive. But it too based its scenario on a kind of flu too and took some wrong decisions because of that.

The death rate in that simulation using modern tech and contact tracing mobiles around one small town shows if anything why we under estimated what really happened by planning for the wrong disaster.

But it was still very instructive and should have flagged up errors we made before we made them.

If you have never seen it the one hour experiment (it was in essence a simulated pandemic using real ordinary people who were 'infected' or not by chance via their mobiles telling them yes or no and what to do and using that tech to map how and where it spread).

It is on You Tube free to watch - just search for BBC Contagion made in 2018.

Look at the death figures too there as they rise in the simulation and wonder.

By another strange irony the small town they chose by chance to set the pandemic experiment was where one of the first couple of UK transmissions really occurred in the Covid outbreak.

This virus has been playing a Cosmic joke on humanity from day one,
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You'd really, really hope a million important lessons have been learned from this and in fact (as others have alluded to) the science (including behavioural) makes humanity that little bit more safer in the long run.
We're flawed creatures by design and the modern world has added to all this from what we 'need' in order to have the life we all want to lead.
We'll have to mix science into out natures far more acutely in the future....the cyborg evolution will one day happen (being slightly facetious there). We are nature after all
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I was like that at the end of April. By July I was able to start exercising though I had a terrible hacking cough when I got up every day that declined till it went at the start of December.
The moral of the story, don't do too much too soon.
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Wow....that's some lengthy period mate. The cough is weird. I feel way better until I cough and it ends up in a fit and feeling faint (I almost blacked out after one episode).
Walking is fine for me atm....tenuous line between not pushing it and ensuring my brain chems are cleansing my thoughts.
Hope you're feeling so much better now?
mackenzie said:
Had a phone call off my mum's nursing home this morning. Though it was Covid related, but apparently not. Her cancer has progressed but she has refused any treatment or "interference." She has always been like this.
So an end of life plan will be put into place, but I can only go and see her when she is nearing the end.
Have wept a few times today. She deserves someone there, at the end
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Really, truly sorry to hear this mate.
 
It is what it is. Many families (hundreds of thousands no doubt) have had to do it already.
We will cope. I'll just try and put any personal "slant" on it that I can.
Maybe holding up my 45 year old City scarf or something, she would appreciate that ;-)
 
630 England hospital deaths - another big fall.

123 of them from NW - sadly another big rise.

As I have been saying for a while the NW is really the main problem area left as they took vaccine away from here.

Some here thought I was over reacting. And I very possibly was as I understand these are two separate things and these deaths were inevitable from weeks ago not now. And vaccinations is about rates of getting through the vulnerable list

But I was seeing from the data where we were heading. And the message the media will draw from this will not be so nuanced.

This is always a catch up day and NW patient numbers and ventilators have at last started to fall in past few days from the numbers I post each tea time. So hopefully this is the worst we get and we will also soon nt see over 100 deaths a day either here.

However, the local media will doubtless now suddenly discover what they should have seen a week or two ago as it has been trending that way since then. When really it is not as important now as then if the hospital data in the NW continues to trend down as we are already on the downslope.

Reclaiming more vaccine will not make any difference now. It might not have done two weeks ago. But it was a decision the media would have argued about when there was a case to do so. Which there really isn't now.

The latest weekly Pop table (5 day old data as it is) shows all regions falling but Midlands and North West up top with London the only southern region up there and close to going below both. So it is cases too - not just deaths - and vaccination is a factor in those.

But that was last week before the patient numbers started to drop and cases have continued to do so too - just more slowly than in London.

In ay case the only two regions today with over 100 deaths are North West and Midlands. It is weeks since that happened.
 
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England hospital deaths : 3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v today

884 / 80 NW / 11%

789 / 99 NW / 12%

907 / 121 NW / 13%

630 / 123 NW / 19.5% - this is the highest NW percentage in a long time. Why even the media will notice when it has been heading this way for ages. And I have mentioned it daily in here. But today is higher even than I expected to see and hopefully the peak.

The really good news though is the near one third fall week to week in deaths everywhere else.
 
Healdplace said:
630 England hospital deaths - another big fall.

123 of them from NW - sadly another big rise.

As I have been saying for a while the NW is really the main problem area left as they took vaccine away from here.

Some here thought I was over reacting. And I very possibly was as I understand these are two separate things and these deaths were inevitable from weeks ago not now. And vaccinations is about rates of getting through the vulnerable list

But I was seeing from the data where we were heading. And the message the media will draw from this will not be so nuanced.

This is always a catch up day and NW patient numbers and ventilators have at last started to fall in past few days from the numbers I post each tea time. So hopefully this is the worst we get and we will also soon nt see over 100 deaths a day either here.

However, the local media will doubtless now suddenly discover what they should have seen a week or two ago as it has been trending that way since then. When really it is not as important now as then if the hospital data in the NW continues to trend down as we are already on the downslope.

Reclaiming more vaccine will not make any difference now. It might not have done two weeks ago. But it was a decision the media would have argued about when there was a case to do so. Which there really isn't now.

The latest weekly Pop table (5 day old data as it is) shows all regions falling but Midlands and North West up top with London the only southern region up there and close to going below both. So it is cases too - not just deaths - and vaccination is a factor in those.

But that was last week before the patient numbers started to drop and cases have continued to do so too - just more slowly than in London.

In ay case the only two regions today with over 100 deaths are North West and Midlands. It is weeks since that happened.
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Do you think the drop in deaths is immunity from the vaccine? Only two weeks ago we were still seeing huge cases but with so many of the vulnerable now vaccinated, surely that is why it’s falling?

Shame about the NW, let’s hope common sense comes through and we get some additional doses.
 
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