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...and some link suggesting natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity on channel 4 news tonight?
 
BlueAnorak said:
The reports today on the latest Sage Modelling leave me aghast. I'm all for science but this is a joke. 90% vaccine acceptance with a top up in the autumn for new varriants along with testing for large events and border controls will be sufficient. Without a new varriant the predictions just won't happen.
Perhaps they see their importance diminishing and this is to try and keep it alive.

www.mirror.co.uk

Life won't be back to normal by summer amid fears of huge Covid surge

Government scientists believe some restrictions may have to be maintained until this time next year. Sage papers say there could be another surge in Covid-19 infections in late summer
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SAGE are a set of doom merchants mate. Consistently getting things wrong sadly the government seems to be run by them.
 
Mr Coopz said:

Sorry should have posted this earlier for those that might not have found what I was talking about earlier so they can see what’s been said. Again paints a very depressing picture that seems to have no end as far as I’m concerned.
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I think this was the pessimistic scenario and the media haven’t covered the the most realistic or positive scenarios.
 
BlueAnorak said:
The reports today on the latest Sage Modelling leave me aghast. I'm all for science but this is a joke. 90% vaccine acceptance with a top up in the autumn for new varriants along with testing for large events and border controls will be sufficient. Without a new varriant the predictions just won't happen.
Perhaps they see their importance diminishing and this is to try and keep it alive.

www.mirror.co.uk

Life won't be back to normal by summer amid fears of huge Covid surge

Government scientists believe some restrictions may have to be maintained until this time next year. Sage papers say there could be another surge in Covid-19 infections in late summer
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
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Hopefully they'll ignore them. Didn't they also predict a vastly higher R as a result of schools opening? That never happened
 
ayrshire_blue said:
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That must be the report that was mentioned.
Can’t see how it will affect over 30’s if indeed it’s halted?
Nothing on the natural immunity I’ve found yet. Can only see that meaning those with strong antibodies from covid itself waiting longer for vaccines?

one can envisage the flat earthers pulling their pants down again..
 
BlueAnorak said:
The reports today on the latest Sage Modelling leave me aghast. I'm all for science but this is a joke. 90% vaccine acceptance with a top up in the autumn for new varriants along with testing for large events and border controls will be sufficient. Without a new varriant the predictions just won't happen.
Perhaps they see their importance diminishing and this is to try and keep it alive.

www.mirror.co.uk

Life won't be back to normal by summer amid fears of huge Covid surge

Government scientists believe some restrictions may have to be maintained until this time next year. Sage papers say there could be another surge in Covid-19 infections in late summer
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
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Importance diminishing and research grants disappearing. Just remember, you’re not allowed to say such things. Welcome to the world of being anti-society and a Covid denier........

All joking aside though, given that press conference, there must be another agenda in play here. Whitty confirms Covid is here in perpetuity, the vaccine roll out and success unimagined a few months ago, all the data pointing to great success and yet we will need social distancing and masks until at least next year? Bypassing parliament for vaccine passports?
Remember 3 weeks to flatten the curve. Then temporary tiers. Then no schools as they put up the R number by at least 0.7. A second lockdown to save Christmas, Christmas cancelled to prevent another lockdown, a third lockdown to save Easter with a promise of normality is the vaccine was a success. Data not dates, but only if the data is worse, it’s dates not data if that’s not the case. Restrictions lifted in June provided no new bad data. There is no new bad data and yet it’s all change yet again. That’s without everyone taking 2 Covid test a week. Assuming a false positive rate of only 0.1% and 80 million tests a week, that’s a false posited number of 80000 a week or 11200 a day. Bearing in mind that the FP rate is reckoned to be 4 times that at 0.4%, it can never end.
Good job he’s passing legislation to ban protests or people might start getting a tad hacked off. The goalposts haven’t just been moved but they are on a different continent and moving further away every week....
 
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Not sure why the thread is so down 2bh. The only concern is the potential AZ turnaround, as one of my closest friends has had it already so I feel concerned if it's now deemed unsafe for young people.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Due to being vaccinated, your immune system doesn’t allow the virus to replicate in large numbers across numerous cells in your respiratory system. Therefore, your viral load will be much lower and your chances of spreading a large viral load to somebody else is greatly reduced.

A lower viral load in someone else gives them a greater chance to fight it off without getting ill. And greatly reduces their chances of becoming seriously ill or dying.

A lower viral load also reduces the risk of the virus mutating because it isn’t allowed to replicate and evolve into a new variant.

Multiply this across the population, and the risk of spread, illness, death and new variants is reduced.
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Excellent analysis. Explains why, while I'm very keen to get back to pubgoing, I'd much rather go in pubs where people have had the vaccine, and I'll probably avoid the pub crawl with the know vaccine denier for a while.
 
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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Importance diminishing and research grants disappearing. Just remember, you’re not allowed to say such things. Welcome to the world of being anti-society and a Covid denier........

All joking aside though, given that press conference, there must be another agenda in play here. Whitty confirms Covid is here in perpetuity, the vaccine roll out and success unimagined a few months ago, all the data pointing to great success and yet we will need social distancing and masks until at least next year? Bypassing parliament for vaccine passports?
Remember 3 weeks to flatten the curve. Then temporary tiers. Then no schools as they put up the R number by at least 0.7. A second lockdown to save Christmas, Christmas cancelled to prevent another lockdown, a third lockdown to save Easter with a promise of normality is the vaccine was a success. Data not dates, but only if the data is worse, it’s dates not data if that’s not the case. Restrictions lifted in June provided no new bad data. There is no new bad data and yet it’s all change yet again. That’s without everyone taking 2 Covid test a week. Assuming a false positive rate of only 0.1% and 80 million tests a week, that’s a false posited number of 80000 a week or 11200 a day. Bearing in mind that the FP rate is reckoned to be 4 times that at 0.4%, it can never end.
Good job he’s passing legislation to ban protests or people might start getting a tad hacked off. The goalposts haven’t just been moved but they are on a different continent and moving further away every week....
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Yep my take exactly
I thought the press conference was a disaster to.be honest today. Very disappointing.
I was looking forward to it, now it seems like we will be under restrictions for months yet 60% of the population have been jabbed.
I actually wonder whether the government and these scientists are secretly enjoying all of this misery they are causing people.
I predict a summer of unrest, people are fucked off and fed up with these clowns in charge of us
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Yep my take exactly
I thought the press conference was a disaster to.be honest today. Very disappointing.
I was looking forward to it, now it seems like we will be under restrictions for months yet 60% of the population have been jabbed.
I actually wonder whether the government and these scientists are secretly enjoying all of this misery they are causing people.
I predict a summer of unrest, people are fucked off and fed up with these clowns in charge of us
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No we aren't enjoying it is the answer.
 
domalino said:
This has been a recurring theme throughout the pandemic.

People willfully ignoring or misrepresenting predictions or odds.
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And when people have tried balancing things in public, they've been attacked for being doommongers.

The plan was always "not before", but has been briefed and leaked so much that it was impossible to put back the early dates.
The vaccines have only ever been under emergency use authorisation, and any drawbacks noticed was bound to be considered seriously on by regulators.

Nothing has derailed the plan yet, but it doesn't mean nothing will.
 
Talk that the AZ jab may be suspended in under 30s as soon as tomorrow by the MHRA

If that happens, May 17th and June 21th will be an absolute pipedream.

There are not enough vaccines on stream yet to take the slack from that up and the added damage to a vaccine with an already poor reputation, will likely be irreversible.
 
wolfie1988 said:
Talk that the AZ jab may be suspended in under 30s as soon as tomorrow by the MHRA

If that happens, May 17th and June 21th will be an absolute pipedream.

There are not enough vaccines on stream yet to take the slack from that up and the added damage to a vaccine with an already poor reputation, will likely be irreversible.
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why the ban? Clotting? Seems to have been a very gloomy day.
 
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