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It's utterly hopeless. My arm is still painful when I move it in certain directions and at times throbs. Thankfully I can use it for everyday activities. I'm due the second jab in a couple of weeks and have serious doubts whether to go ahead.
It wasn’t long ago we didn’t have a choice and didn’t know how long we were going to be in lockdowns before a vaccine could help, man up, mine is due the same time as yours I will definitely be having mine 7 deaths out of 20 million vaccines says you will be fine
 
Yes Zenica. I got mine on the 21st January and like you it's sore if I lie on that side. It occasionally throbs and mobility is limited and painful when I move it in certain directions.
as I said only sore if I lie on it but definitely doesn’t seem to have full strength in that arm but apart from that nothing else,oh only tiredness for a couple of days after jab or feeling lethargic..
 
It wasn’t long ago we didn’t have a choice and didn’t know how long we were going to be in lockdowns before a vaccine could help, man up, mine is due the same time as yours I will definitely be having mine 7 deaths out of 20 million vaccines says you will be fine

Does it though? I'm having it in the same arm as I don't want to risk fucking the other arm up as well. Ten weeks in it hasn't improved yet.
 
As i understand it lots if everyday drugs have an associated risk of side effects including an increased risk of blood clots these include Asprin and Ibrobrufen. People need to get a grip and take the vaccines. The risk of dying from Covid is significantly greater. I wonder if those countries that have banned the AZ vaccine have fully explained this to their people. I doubt it somehow.
Exactly. The messaging needs to be clearer. I've no issue with them identifying an issue with a certain demographic but explain that any risks only really apply to that demographic and as such a different vaccine is recommended for that group, but for everybody else the vaccine is still considered safe. That would go a long way towards stopping the press jumping all over it and scaremongering so many people into thinking it's not safe for anybody.
 
It wasn’t long ago we didn’t have a choice and didn’t know how long we were going to be in lockdowns before a vaccine could help, man up, mine is due the same time as yours I will definitely be having mine 7 deaths out of 20 million vaccines says you will be fine
Lovely choice of words man up ffs,he’s concerned about the jab..
 
Wales vaccination update:

1, 493, 192 first doses given - 2820 yesterday -was 7171 day before & 12, 960 last week

469, 251 second doses given - 1468 yesterday - was 1565 day before & 7154 last week

Very low numbers yesterday as you can see.

And if this is for 2 days then even worse.
 
We have 3-4 vaccines now though. If one carries a minor risk, control distribution to reduce risk. This feels normal with regards to medicine.
But only if there is enough, clearly there isnt, so controlling dustribution as you put it, or not giving people the vaccine when their isnt an alternative available and risk letting them catch covid instead is just plain stupid.

We have had 30 cases and 7 deaths out of 18million doses. That is 1 death in every 2.6 million people. And the regulators still cant say its associated with the vaccine as these people may have had these clots due to covid.

Lets just put that into perspective a study was done last year by where they tracked 17million people in the UK in three months nearly 11,000 of those people had died from covid.

So even if there is a risk its 7 vs 11000. You dont have to be a mathematician to deduce the better odds. And yet Germany and others have decided to outlaw the AZ vaccine for some groups. Its simply a mind numbingly stupid decision which will result in more covid deaths as they dont have an available alternative.
 
First batch of Moderna in Scotland. They have due 1 million of the 17 million on order for UK but they will come slowly over coming months not weeks. Nicola Sturgeon just now. Will not make much difference to the April supply issues.
 
Health of the nation indeed. Every public health principle has been abandoned and Covid is the only game in town. Truth is, if you’re under 60 and in reasonable health Covid is no real risk (compared to life in general) but we are writing off a whole generation of people to fight a single disease which is not a reasonable strategy, in my opinion. Locking down and mask wearing is not doing much to control the spread of this, but it’s making everything else a whole lot worse.
Decades of reversing worldwide poverty has gone. Over 700,000 in the U.K. pushed into poverty with up to 150 million worldwide. Poverty will kill many, many times more than Covid will ever do and we’ve lost sight of that. It’s really not encouraging idiots or being hyperbolic, it’s just asking for some balance of risk when addressing the health of this and other nations.
Further hyperbole.

Every public health principle hasn’t been abandoned, and Covid isn’t the only game in town. We’ve been allowed and openly encouraged to exercise outdoors throughout this pandemic, the health of many people in the UK has never been better because of that. We’ve also been encouraged to phone and still go to the Doctor’s if we feel there is something that needs checking or treating, after there were fears that people - by choice - were avoiding doing so. Also my Mother has just come out of hospital yesterday having had her hip replaced, my Father was treated for a broken wrist recently, and one of my Aunties has been having cancer treatment through the Winter n’all.

Just because it’s a virus that probably wouldn’t be a risk to younger or healthier people, doesn’t mean they couldn’t pass it on to others who it would be. This is where the virus affects almost everybody, not just the elderly or vulnerable, because any of us could be putting others at risk through spreading it.

Nobody is writing off a whole generation of people to fight this disease. It’s only been one year of our lives and possibly affecting us for another couple, and we might have to slightly adapt the way we live long term, but that’s not written a generation off at all. I work with young people and I know a number who have taken up new hobbies. I have, and I have mates who have said they’ve changed the way they live health-wise. Some have said they will cut down on eating shit and drinking alcohol once things return to normal; my office mate is giving up drinking full stop. Covid may well result in a positive long term health outlook for this country that may never have happened if it weren’t for Covid. We could end up with a healthier generation rather than one that’s been written off.

Locking down and mask wearing is absolutely proven to control the spread of this virus. Scientists estimate that around 470,000 would have died in the UK with no restrictions in the first wave alone, and that’s with just the variant that was around then. With an unrestricted spread, a variant could have mutated that could have been extremely deadly. But lockdowns and mask wearing reduce the likelihood of that occurring, which is why we’ve kept the numbers well below 470k and kept the variants to a minimum.

Saying lockdowns and mask wearing doesn’t do much to control the spread is wholly false. It’s literally been proven to us through a year long life experience.

Your point about poverty is a good one. But decades of reversing worldwide poverty hasn’t gone, it’s just had a setback. And we need to make sure we aren’t exacerbating the problem and aiding the world getting back on its feet after Covid. To help do that we need to be doing as much as we can with lockdowns and mask wearing and vaccinations and post-lockdown restrictions even after vaccinations... because what good would the world’s efforts be if selfishness caused a mutation that bypassed the vaccines?
 
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Scotland data:

0 deaths (0 reported all weekend btw) - was 12 last week

259 cases - was 411 last week

2.0% positivity - was 2.8% last week

196 patients - down 19 over Easter Weekend - was 250 last week

21 ventilated - same over the weekend - was 23 last week

CAVEAT HERE - MONDAY DATA REPORTED ON TUESDAY OFTEN BRINGS WEEKEND CATCH UP. ADD ONS BUT MONDAY DATA WILL LIKELY BE LOWER THIS WEEK AS THAT DAY WAS A BANK HOLIDAY
 
As i understand it lots if everyday drugs have an associated risk of side effects including an increased risk of blood clots these include Asprin and Ibrobrufen. People need to get a grip and take the vaccines. The risk of dying from Covid is significantly greater. I wonder if those countries that have banned the AZ vaccine have fully explained this to their people. I doubt it somehow.
I was reading the other day, that simple paracetamol can cause thrombocytopenia as well as liver and kidney damage.

Look at the side effects of drinking alcohol... but most of us do it.

As I’ve said before, there are side effects to breathing! (Oxygen - while it’s essential for us - damages our cells walls, therefore we must eat antioxidants in fruit and veg to combat that).

Pretty much everything has side effects.

I’ve still got scars on me from infant vaccinations. I couldn’t go in the water on holiday after my BCG jab when I was 13, after I had a reaction to it. I still had a nice holiday though.
 
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I was reading the other day, that simple paracetamol can cause thrombocytopenia as well as liver and kidney damage.

I’ve still got scars on me from infant vaccinations.

Look at the side effects of drinking alcohol... but most of us do it.

As I’ve said before, there are side effects to breathing! (Oxygen - while it’s essential for us - damages our cells walls, therefore we must eat antioxidants in fruit and veg to combat that).

Pretty much everything has side effects.
Correct my friend
 
Scotland Vaccination Update:

2 577, 816 first doses given - 12, 536 today - was 11, 443 yesterday & 27, 262 last week

463, 780 second doses given - 7406 today - was 5317 yesterday & 16, 666 last week

More than Sunday - so better than Wales - but under half last week as feared with the combination of the reduced vaccine supply in April and the bank holiday.
 
I don't have any data but imo 30 clots from tens of millions is very low risk indeed whereas we've been inundated with stories about cytokine storms, long Covid and all kinds of inflammations with Covid-19 i.e. activity associated with 'sticky blood'.

We are though talking about a specific type of clotting event with AZN vaccine not clotting in general.

Given we have Pfizer and (Moderna in a fortnight), it seems possible that if there is a very low risk of clots in young people then they will be directed to Pfizer and Moderna whilst older people continue with Astrazeneca.

10s of millions for and healthy 23 year olds have been vaccinated? Ok mate.
 
Yes one side of my face starting in the top lip, mouth and tongue first went dead. spreading slowly and I bit my tongue seriously.
that’s why a visit to the dentist was paid. The vaccination centre were extremely helpful and sorted out the component I’m allergic to

For me going to the ground was the main reason I wanted the vaccine if they introduce the passport it leaves me vulnerable to exclusion as I have the card with only one stamp 60%

I hate saying but almost all the people I know that had phyzer jab had no side effects apart from a sore arm lasting-less than 24hours

Pretty bad then. My parents have just had their second Pfizer jab with hardly any problems and they are in their eighties.
 
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