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Found out one of my mates was really ill and in hospital for 10 days with it, on oxygen struggling to breathe. Spoke to him last night, he was double AZ jabbed, in pretty good health and is only 40.

The vaccine made a big difference but he still ended up in hospital. It's a bit of a worry as there seems to be a bit of complacency at the moment. Being at the match it was like covid had never happened.
 
Posting these again today as on looking at the numbers, there's something a bit striking which jumps out at me. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but there's something worthy of note here.

7065 cases in Scotland

494 in people aged 65+
47 are aged 85+, 126 aged 75-84 and 321 aged 65-74.

1422 aged 45-64
1989 aged 25-44

3142 aged 0-24
*****that 3142 broken down further however -
1877 are aged 0-14, 1265 aged 15-24.

That to me looks like a bigger than usual gap from the 0-14s and the 15-24s.

Then there's this

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Every single age group either rising steadily or showing a a plateau aside from those aged 15-24
 
5 Hit Gibbon said:
Found out one of my mates was really ill and in hospital for 10 days with it, on oxygen struggling to breathe. Spoke to him last night, he was double AZ jabbed, in pretty good health and is only 40.

The vaccine made a big difference but he still ended up in hospital. It's a bit of a worry as there seems to be a bit of complacency at the moment. Being at the match it was like covid had never happened.
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It appears to be completely random on how it affects people. I was talking someone this morning who had the virus last October , their family all caught it with various degrees of symptoms apart from one of the sons who didn't even test positive despite mixing with the rest of the family.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Posting these again today as on looking at the numbers, there's something a bit striking which jumps out at me. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but there's something worthy of note here.

7065 cases in Scotland

494 in people aged 65+
47 are aged 85+, 126 aged 75-84 and 321 aged 65-74.

1422 aged 45-64
1989 aged 25-44

3142 aged 0-24
*****that 3142 broken down further however -
1877 are aged 0-14, 1265 aged 15-24.

That to me looks like a bigger than usual gap from the 0-14s and the 15-24s.

Then there's this

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Every single age group either rising steadily or showing a a plateau aside from those aged 15-24
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Yes, much as I just posted from N Ireland where the data is not split into ages as helpfully as Scotland does.

There are many more tests on school ages now and this is the big driver in both Scotland and N Ireland.

Will be too in England and why cases will undoubtedly sky rocket in next week or so.
 
45 all settings deaths

41, 192 cases

England 27, 202 - up 180 on yesterday & 5878 on last Monday

Yesterdays wk to wk England rise was 5113 and the day before 4496.

It is creeping up day by day and this will almost certainly be just the beginning now school testing will be escalating.

UK tests

1, 031, 654 pillar 1 & 2 tests - up 286K on yesterday and up 338 K on last Monday.

The rise in tests just in England was 256 K & 296K respectively.
 
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5 Hit Gibbon said:
Found out one of my mates was really ill and in hospital for 10 days with it, on oxygen struggling to breathe. Spoke to him last night, he was double AZ jabbed, in pretty good health and is only 40.

The vaccine made a big difference but he still ended up in hospital. It's a bit of a worry as there seems to be a bit of complacency at the moment. Being at the match it was like covid had never happened.
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Without the jab he’d probably be dead.

I am glad to hear he’s got through it mate.
 
5 Hit Gibbon said:
Found out one of my mates was really ill and in hospital for 10 days with it, on oxygen struggling to breathe. Spoke to him last night, he was double AZ jabbed, in pretty good health and is only 40.

The vaccine made a big difference but he still ended up in hospital. It's a bit of a worry as there seems to be a bit of complacency at the moment. Being at the match it was like covid had never happened.
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A mate of mine who’s a fireman and EMT just went back to work after his second case of COVID. He and his family had it early last year, he’d been double jabbed in the interim yet still got another case. He used the same words that he’d become complacent and was taking less precautions
 
GM AND NORTH WEST NUMBER HIGHLIGHTS

NW DOWN 3 on the day to 3459

NW UP week to week by 853 from 2606

Out of these numbers Greater Manchester was both good and bad.

On the day it went UP by 100 onto 1252. Obviously bad news when NW fell all be it by just 3!

BUT

UP week to week by just 286 last Monday FROM the 853 NW weekly rise. Which is well below par - which is good news when numbers rise This is around a third of the rise and again lower than expectations for a rise.

Week to week matters more as day to day testing can fluctuate but weekly evens out

In GM there were just 2 boroughs sub 100 today. But nobody was very high. Even Manchester up 40 week to week only just in the 200s on 201.

Bury had by far the best day on just 59 cases and DOWN on last week which almost nobody else did.

Oldham up 52 week to week, Bolton was up 47, Manchester 40 and Wigan up 38.

The others up by 20 or so apart from Stockport. Still doing OK up just 3 week to week.



All in all a mixed day for GM and the NW. But not terrible. Numbers around the UK are evening out and both Yorkshire and South East posted more cases than the NW today - but only by a hundred or two - and most of the other regions were just a few hundred below the NW.

The country is now pretty much of a muchness.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Interested to hear who these "extremes" are.

Is this the MHRA, who approved the vaccine for 12 yos back in June?

Or some other "extremes"?
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MHRA only determine if a medicine is safe and they gave emergency use notification for 12+ aged children.
That is a different thing entirely to JCVI who look at the benefit of vaccinations and they decided that in their eyes the benefit is marginal compared to youngsters catching it.
As well you know.
For the record, I'm sure the JCVI decision will be overridden on public safety grounds by the CMO's as the JCVI allowed them to in their judgement.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
MHRA only determine if a medicine is safe and they gave emergency use notification for 12+ aged children.
That is a different thing entirely to JCVI who look at the benefit of vaccinations and they decided that in their eyes the benefit is marginal compared to youngsters catching it.
As well you know.
For the record, I'm sure the JCVI decision will be overridden on public safety grounds by the CMO's as the JCVI allowed them to in their judgement.
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This isn't quite right, I think.

MHRA approve on risk/ benefit ie if the benefit exceeds the risk. They take into account both safety and efficacy.

JCVI recommend if a government sponsored rollout is appropriate. Their methodology seems less clear, but it seems the size of the benefit is at issue, not its existence. Their conclusions are in conflict with many others, as you well know.

We're now at the point where significant doubt has been quite unnecessarily cast on any final CMO conclusion such that a significant proportion of parents may withhold consent for what every single body that has ever looked at the question concludes has a positive risk/ benefit balance for the individuals, let alone the wider societal impact.

So more children will be hospitalised, more family members will die and the pandemic will be prolonged unnecessarily.
 
5 Hit Gibbon said:
Found out one of my mates was really ill and in hospital for 10 days with it, on oxygen struggling to breathe. Spoke to him last night, he was double AZ jabbed, in pretty good health and is only 40.

The vaccine made a big difference but he still ended up in hospital. It's a bit of a worry as there seems to be a bit of complacency at the moment. Being at the match it was like covid had never happened.
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I’ve tested positive recently, double jabbed with AZ

caught if off GF who lives with me who’s unvacc’d.

She’s had the full hit, extreme cough, fever, loss of smell and taste and she’s tired all the time.

Mine was limited to a splitting headache and neck pain, wasn’t pleasant but was nothing like my gf’s case of it.
 
On the impact of COVID on children and in schools, from Texas.

Note there's a major general outbreak of COVID in Tx right now, but equally children there *are* eligible for vaccination. I don't know what the take up is.

We keep on ignoring warnings from elsewhere, and always seem to believe it can't happen here.

Hospitals across the state are running low on pediatric intensive care unit beds.

www.houstonpublicmedia.org

Doctors Say Texas Leaders Failed To Stop COVID-19 From Spreading | Houston Public Media

Hospitals across the state are running low on pediatric intensive care unit beds. Texas’ Department of State Health Services says only 81 of them remain — and just a couple hundred more regular ICU beds are available in the state of 29 million people.
www.houstonpublicmedia.org www.houstonpublicmedia.org
 
ENGLAND HOSPITAL DATA


ADMISSIONS - THESE ARE FROM THURSDAY, FRIDAY & SATURDAY REMEMBER (48 hours old)



LAST SAT // THIS THURSDAY/FRIDAY/SATURDAY

688 // 788 // 688 // 752

So UP week to week by 64 SAT TO SAT.


By regions (LAST SATURDAY V THIS THURSDAY/FRIDAY/SATURDAY) :-


LONDON 116 V 122 / 102 / 88 - Steady fall here and well down Sat to Sat

MIDLANDS 133 V 123 / 150 / 148 - less good news here wk to wk

NE & YORKSHIRE 134 V 140 / 156 / 192 - Yorkshire seems to have had a very bad few days, Well up.



AND

NORTH WEST 101 V 128 / 109 / 99


So NW admitted one of the least of the four big regions again (though London seems to have overtaken it) and is slightly down week to week
 
ENGLAND HOSPITAL DATA



PATIENTS

THIS DATA IS FOR FRIDAY / SATURDAY / SUNDAY / TODAY

6195 / 6043 / 6167 / 6375


UP 180 FRI TO TODAY



Last week the equivalent numbers were

5889 / 5756 / 5855 / 6002


UP 111 FRI TO MON LAST WEEK


WEEKLY RISE MON TO MON 6002 - 6375 - RISE OF 373

LAST WEEK WEEKLY RISE WAS 6000 - 6002 - RISE OF 2


Numbers are starting to grow a little week to week







BY REGIONS

Last Monday - V Sat / Sun / Today - Up/down over week


LONDON 1192 - UP 42 V 1134 / 1143 / 1177 (UP 43 OVER WEEKEND) - DOWN 15 WK TO WK

MIDLANDS 1210 - UP 8 V 1174 / 1211 / 1243 (UP 69 OVER WEEKEND_+) - UP 33 WK TO WK

NE & YORKSHIRE 1104 UP 26 V 1127 / 1163 / 1213 (UP 86 OVER WEEKEND) UP 109 WK TO WK


AND


NORTH WEST 903 - UP 21 V 933 / 962 / 966 (UP 33 OVER WEEKEND) - UP 63 WK TO WK


YORKSHIRE HAS HAD A BAD WEEKEND

THE NORTH WEST IS EDGING UP A BIT BUT NOT AS BADLY. MANAGED TO STAY FLAT AND UNDER 1000 IN PAST WEEK.



The other smaller regions week to week Monday to today

East up from 521 to 551 today (UP 35 TODAY)

South East up from 612 to 704 today (UP 29 TODAY)

And South West up from 460 to 521 today (UP 24 TODAY)


These smaller regions are rising too now.


Headline:- Numbers in North West not rising fast just edging up and no panic at the moment. But everywhere is going up so collectively England numbers ARE rising.
 
ENGLAND HOSPITAL DATA



VENTILATORS


THIS DATA IS FOR FRIDAY / SATURDAY / SUNDAY / TODAY



889 / 880 / 878 / 909

Doing well until today when some regions had a big patient influx and these numbers rose by most in a while in one day 31. But up 20 over the weekend.


Last week the same days were:

874 / 835 / 850 / 859

So a Monday rise of just 9 and it FELL over that weekend by 15.

But UP 50 week to week 859 - 909

PREVIOUS WEEK UP JUST 14 FROM 845 TO 859





By regions (TODAY V LAST WEEK) :-


LONDON 237 (UP 7 TODAY V 221- UP 16 in week

MIDLANDS 168 (UP 1 TODAY) V 182 - DOWN 14 in week

NE & YORKSHIRE 147 (UP 6 TODAY V 133 - UP 14 in week



AND

NORTH WEST 116 (LEVEL TODAY) V 109 - UP 7 in week




The other regions LAST WEEK V TODAY

East UP 18 FROM 69 TO 87 - Not Good

South East UP 9 FROM 88 TO 97

And South West UP 7 FROM 60 TO 67


North West numbers seem to have stabilised and still clearly the lowest of the 4 big regions.
 
Healdplace said:
Yes, much as I just posted from N Ireland where the data is not split into ages as helpfully as Scotland does.

There are many more tests on school ages now and this is the big driver in both Scotland and N Ireland.

Will be too in England and why cases will undoubtedly sky rocket in next week or so.
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You and many others said the same when pubs etc opened and it never happened. Scotland had risen before kids went back, that was all down to poor decision making by Sturgeon.
 
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