Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Just be careful. Like the fat man says.

There's lags in lab results, insufficient lateral flow kits, and all sorts of other stuff that means things are unclear, and it's natural that there are other lags in the data and analysis at this time of year. There'll be no chance we catch up before NYE.

Personal responsibility is the right message, no matter where it came from.
 
jazzy said:
You are mixing up those in hospital because of covid and those who are in for something else who happen to have covid
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What difference does that make? They still have covid, and therefore will be spreading covid around hospitals. To other patients, and their families, and to the doctors and nurses.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
‘this new variant is fine, let’s all just get on with our lives’


Number of COVID patients in English hospitals up 48% in a week​

A total of 10,462 people were in hospital in England with COVID-19 as of 8am on 29 December - an increase of 916 on Tuesday.
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Someone posted a link earlier claiming that there at less people in hospital at present than normal (pre-covid) for this time of the year.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
What difference does that make? They still have covid, and therefore will be spreading covid around hospitals. To other patients, and their families, and to the doctors and nurses.
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Yes it does saying 10,000 are in hospital because they need treatment for covid is not factual when in reality its around 7,000 . If the hospital does its infection control properly they won't spread it to anyone
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
no, they aren't. You're just applying a minority subset to the whole group. None more selfish than people demanding mandatory treatments or punishing them by taking away freedoms they're entitled to in a civilised society.

what next? You did something unhealthy in your life and got a weight, drink, smoking, excess sugar related condition and we decide "na, you should have behaved according to how we dictate you should behave, you're not getting help". We can all throw stones, but there'll always be more people to throw them at us than we can throw by ourselves.
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Let's get all psychological and get into the minds of an antivaxxer. They say they don't want the jab as it might make them ill or it has a microchip in it or what ever bullshit reason they say. Now that last sentence is all about "me" not for one second have they considered the effect on others. it's almost a narcissistic mentality. They never think I'd better get a vaccine otherwise my neighbour might die or be financially crippled. That to me shows their mental capacity and defines them as just selfish arsholes. Very similar to Liverpool fans.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
coronavirus.data.gov.uk

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

GOV.UK Coronavirus dashboard
coronavirus.data.gov.uk coronavirus.data.gov.uk
Yesterdays numbers don't match up with yours.
We all know you don't want to go back into the office, mate but it's nothing a good nights sleep won't sort out.
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That’s the only one bonus out of all this for me. But no, I know plenty of have been really ill and I know of a few that have died solely from Covid.
Just don’t like the constant ‘it’s all a load of shit’ attitude, many have.
 
blueparrot said:
Both put pressure on the NHS though so it doesn’t matter that they are mixed.
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No, those being admitted because of it are the additional pressure, if someone is in for something else and just so happens to have Covid, it’s a risk for the rest of the hospital but they would still be taking up the bed without Covid.
 
jazzy said:
Yes it does saying 10,000 are in hospital because they need treatment for covid is not factual when in reality its around 7,000 . If the hospital does its infection control properly they won't spread it to anyone
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But they are in hospital for treatment on something, and they have covid. Therefore, 10000 people are in hospital with covid. I dont know how you dont understand this.
 
Octavian said:
The last time I checked, having no restrictions in place doesn’t mean everyone is forced to go out and interact with others.

The vast majority of people over the age of 18 are aware enough to make their own decisions. We all know the risks and people are welcome to take or not take those risks.

I’ve said it before that lockdowns should only be enforced if the NHS is blatantly on course to being in a position where they cannot care for people. Anything other than that then do not lock down.

The damages we saw from the last lockdown, we should be doing everything we possibly can to avoid it again.

Anyway the news out of SA continues to be better and better.
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Agree with this. Think people underestimate the behavioural change impact just producing scenarios does without subsequently having to implement restrictions. It immediately significantly reduces the worst or even mid case from the unlikely point they already are.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
But they are in hospital for treatment on something, and they have covid. Therefore, 10000 people are in hospital with covid. I dont know how you dont understand this.
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Because it makes a difference in how dangerous we believe the new variant to be. If you make a headline saying 40% increase in hospitalisation with Covid and shit people up it's being used out of context.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
But they are in hospital for treatment on something, and they have covid. Therefore, 10000 people are in hospital with covid. I dont know how you dont understand this.
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It's misleading, what part of they are all not having treatment for covid do you not understand . Its implying they are all needing to be in hospital due covid which is simply not the case
 
jazzy said:
It's misleading, what part of they are all not having treatment for covid do you not understand . Its implying they are all needing to be in hospital due covid which is simply not the case
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It is a fact that 10000 people are in hospital with covid. What does it matter what their reason needing hospital treatment was? They have still got it, and they are still in a hospital. That brings risk, to other patients and to the medical staff working there. If they all go down with it, then hospitals are fucked. What is not to understand about this very basic point?
 
Summerbuzz said:
Just be careful. Like the fat man says.

There's lags in lab results, insufficient lateral flow kits, and all sorts of other stuff that means things are unclear, and it's natural that there are other lags in the data and analysis at this time of year. There'll be no chance we catch up before NYE.

Personal responsibility is the right message, no matter where it came from.
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Been saying this since the very beginning. Never mind what the politicians or the media or our favourite rock star or footballer or some no-marks on Facebook/Twitter are doing or saying; if we all do the right things ourselves, we will all be better off.

Wash our hands, wear a mask, open windows, keep our distance if we can, do tests before any gatherings, get the vaccines, get the boosters, isolate when we should, exercise so we are fitter and our lungs are healthier, eat/drink well so we are consuming the right vitamins and minerals and are healthier in case we do catch it… we might just keep the hospital and death numbers low enough so that we need no further restrictions!
 
Octavian said:
No, those being admitted because of it are the additional pressure, if someone is in for something else and just so happens to have Covid, it’s a risk for the rest of the hospital but they would still be taking up the bed without Covid.
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They would but they need to be segregated, so if you go in with a stroke then test positive you need instead of a general stroke ward you need to be kept seperate,and staff taking covid precations every time they enter. So with staff already off with covid it stretches the staff in much the same way as covid patients in a covid ward admitted wirth covid.
 
According to Boris, up to 90 per cent of current Coronavirus patients in intensive care have not received their booster vaccine.
2.5m are yet to come forward in over 40s.
jazzy said:
Yes it does saying 10,000 are in hospital because they need treatment for covid is not factual when in reality its around 7,000 . If the hospital does its infection control properly they won't spread it to anyone
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Good luck with that. Infection control in the NHS has been a Dunster for 30 years.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
But they are in hospital for treatment on something, and they have covid. Therefore, 10000 people are in hospital with covid. I dont know how you dont understand this.
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But not FOR covid. They will be being primarily treated for somthing else.
Unless we know the full facts on hospitalisation for vaccinated /unvaccinated and for/with Covid we will never escape from this pandemic.
 
The regional picture in hospital numbers shows London up 2036 to 3310 in past week. The biggest rise.

North West up nearly as much 983 to 1530 in 7 days.

But every single England region is up at least 25% in the week.

Apart from the South West - just under that - 491 to 608.

South West was the last area to have big numbers from Delta juat before Omicron arrived which is probably not unconnected.

Patients on ventilators are DOWN 5 over the past 48 hours and that fits the suggestion that ICU numbers are not escalating like the patient numbers are.

There will obviously be a delay between admission and being serious enough for that to happen and another to death. So we need to watch these numbers in the coming week or two.

But the evidence elsewhere suggests they will not escalate by numbers like 50% plus there. Which if that occurs will be very good news.
 
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