That’s all I was saying really. Having to discredit bad news and amplify good seems to be a theme at the moment.Yeah I do not disagree with that. We need to look at capacity as the primary source of information to decide what to do or hopefully not do!
But the numbers aren’t just the numbers though are they for all the reasons discussed in the last dozen or so pages.Exactly, thank you.
Using words like fetishise as in the earlier posts about the data to which you reply is frankly bonkers. Numbers are numbers, They inform. Politicians decide. Instead of blaming those who post the numbers argue with those who decide what to do wth them.
Not to mention you only know the numbers as they are and make your mind up as you do because someoe collated and posted them allowing different opinions of them to develop, That is how concensus is reached. Not via ignorance of the facts.
Anything else is called guessing. And nobody sane plans a pandemic around hopeful guesswork.
I think there are a number of people that will miss the drama of it when this thread is finally binned. I’ll mention no names.Sure. Statisticians, modellers etc will be drawn here because that’s their job/hobby.
I gave up religiously staring at and interpreting stats a long time ago. I tend to flick in and out to see where the trends are going every now and then.
If Mark is forced back into the office, then he maybe should look for another job that offers WFH. I doubt he wants to extend the misery of the pandemic solely to work from home more.
What are people desperate to happen then, if not lockdowns? Hospitalisations?
If so, I ask the question again. Name one poster desperate for that to happen.
I usually qualify context of numbers in the data thread when I post in detail - not here as I have been repeatedly told this is not for data - though everyone else posts it here sometimes unharrassed.Healdplace will be Using the 28 day figure I assume as it’s Fastest data we have. The death certificate figures have lag on them.
I read somewhere on the dashboard ages ago that we use the WHO’s criteria for registering a covid death and that’s what is used.
May have changed to be a bit more blanket now as I’ve not seen it mentioned for a while.
the ONS figures that have a 2 week lag def have that tho.
That’s because most people don’t post two dozen excel spreadsheets daily…. For 12 months….though everyone else posts it here sometimes unharrassed.
That seems about right in the context of South Africa and what we have been hoping to see but rather than just assumed had to collate data to demonstrate was happening. Sorry has to fetishise posting the data to demonstrate.The NHS England primary diagnosis supplement has just been released for the week ending 28 December.
It shows an overall increase of 2,076 people in hospitals with Covid (a total of 8,321).
In terms of primarily being treated for Covid, there has been an increase of 1,146 (a total now of 5,578).
This means that 45% of the net increase in people hospitalised with Covid is incidental.
Of course, there are nuances you can apply to them but in the current context the numbers in hospital 'with' Covid are what matter as they dictate isolation and treatment and policy in terms of how many more patients can be admitted and whether the NHS can cope.But the numbers aren’t just the numbers though are they for all the reasons discussed in the last dozen or so pages.
But the numbers aren’t just the numbers though are they for all the reasons discussed in the last dozen or so pages.
There are posters on here who post solely on this thread however which I find rather puzzling.
As it stands though there aren't any restrictions yet we have treble the amount of cases compared to last year where tens of thousands died.Some seem very quick and eager to forget that government policy, the lockdowns, restrictions and harm to businesses and citizens are based in these numbers.
Dare to ask for context behind them and you are immediately shot down and dismissed for doing so.
Forget case numbers, it’s now meaningless propaganda.
As it stands though there aren't any restrictions yet we have treble the amount of cases compared to last year where tens of thousands died.
I'm having a do round ours tonight and there are a couple of oldies coming so we've asked everyone to test before coming, hardly a big deal really. We wouldn't be having the do at all if we were worried about us or others getting COVID and getting really ill which was the case last year (hence why we were in lockdown).
We keep having this argument about restrictions, propaganda etc but there aren't any restrictions nor any propaganda that's put something in place. It's a bit different in places like Scotland, Wales and the rest of Europe but that's upto them. If anything the UK is the only place in Europe where propaganda and policy has been the most relaxed.
You obviously do not live in Scotland.
I certainly don't but we all know that their decision-making is mostly political and has nothing to do with the data.You obviously do not live in Scotland.
There are a few more restrictions in Scotland ,but it's hardly a lockdown , nor it seems particularly putting off visitors from England, my coffee shop has been heaving with them today and the holiday properties we manage are also all full.I certainly don't but we all know that their decision-making is mostly political and has nothing to do with the data.
In Scotland it's more about being different to England purely so that Sturgeon can have a chance to say I told you so.
Worth bearing in mind that the graph goes back to October when it was all Delta variant and the first Omicron cases here have only happened in the last few weeks. South African data for hospital admissions suggests a higher percentage of "incidental cases" with the much milder Omicron. The next set of figures will be more interestingIt does, but if hospitals reach capacity, it doesn’t matter what they are in with? They won’t be able to get treatment, for whatever their ailment is.
Covid is still the 2/3 main driver of hospital admissions according to that graph.
If only it was that simple but it isn'tThats life fella. Honestly some think we live with zero risk and that’s simply not the case and it’s not the answer to just lock folk away because someone might catch something and might die.
Get your vaccine, get your booster and get on with living life.
Hers a clue. Manchester City Football Club is in Manchester, England. Why would the default be from posters to be from another country.You obviously do not live in Scotland.
But we are not at this stage yet are we? Just wishing this away and taking the King Canute route isn't going to make it go away.That scenario will NEVER GO AWAY I'm afraid. It has always been the case with flu, for example. The quicker people make peace with this the better as life is not nil risk - never has been and never will be.