Corruption in English football?

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
That's quite telling.

I'm squarely in the yes camp. If you look as some of the decisions, and patterns of play in certain games it's difficult to conclude there is anything other than manipulation in order to try and influence outcomes.

Even something simple, such as the referee being told to try and keep the game competitive for as long as possible (for example not sending the Wolves player off for the challenge on Gundogan last week which ticked every box as a Red card offence). I'm doubtful the referee would have hesitated to send the player off had roles been reversed.
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Come on mate. Not every decision in the world has to be part of the big conspiracy. It didn’t tick any boxes for a red card. He accidentally caught him with his shoulder. Have you ever tried deliberately shouldering someone in the face? Not an easy move to pull off.
 
Stephen230 said:
Come on mate. Not every decision in the world has to be part of the big conspiracy. It didn’t tick any boxes for a red card. He accidentally caught him with his shoulder. Have you ever tried deliberately shouldering someone in the face? Not an easy move to pull off.
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I'm not saying it's part of a huge conspiracy, but that 'challenge' wasn't accidental.
 
Stephen230 said:
Come on mate. Not every decision in the world has to be part of the big conspiracy. It didn’t tick any boxes for a red card. He accidentally caught him with his shoulder. Have you ever tried deliberately shouldering someone in the face? Not an easy move to pull off.
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Excerpt from rule 12: "A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play."

Not a mention of the word intent.
 
Stephen230 said:
Come on mate. Not every decision in the world has to be part of the big conspiracy. It didn’t tick any boxes for a red card. He accidentally caught him with his shoulder. Have you ever tried deliberately shouldering someone in the face? Not an easy move to pull off.
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He went into the tackle with excessive force to leave something on him. Now Wolves have the worst disciplinary record in the league but he got away with it. Now how many dangerous tackles, or sheer volume of tackles have led to sendings off against us this season?
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Excerpt from rule 12: "A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play."

Not a mention of the word intent.
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All I can say is outside of this forum I’ve not seen a single person even suggest it may have been a red card.

One of your favourite lines is… If that had happened at the other end it would have been different. Can you put your hand on your heart and say if a City player had made that challenge you’d happily accept a red card for it?
 
Stephen230 said:
All I can say is outside of this forum I’ve not seen a single person even suggest it may have been a red card.

One of your favourite lines is… If that had happened at the other end it would have been different. Can you put your hand on your heart and say if a City player had made that challenge you’d happily accept a red card for it?
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No, but not for the fact I didn't think it was a red card. I'd be annoyed with the player for making the challenge, and more annoyed because there's a high probability of it only being a yellow card for an opposition player committing the same challenge.
 
cheekybids said:
Just to remind us how they think.

Clattenburg made the point that he once gave three penalties against United at Old Trafford, ironically against arch-rivals Liverpool, and, if he’d just left it there, he could have walked away having proved that there’s no bias from referees towards the Red Devils. But in his pay-off line he added: “But David Moyes was the manager at the time – I’m not sure that would have happened when Fergie was there.”
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Plus he admitted giving a corner to Utd knowing it was the wrong decision because he was petrified of Keane. And so many others with him just in our games alone
 
I don't think it should have been a red for the Wolves player personally. I would have liked the ref to have more of word with the player and then give him a yellow card though. I could be wrong but the ref didn't seem concerned enough about what happened. I suppose unwritten rules, common sense, intent and the like are things that are being removed from the game... yet ironically, they seem to be creating more grey areas in the laws at the same time.

Personally, I think there are certain incidents where the intent of a player is obvious and that should still hold weight, mainly just for the punishment dished out. That's not to say every decision needs to consider it. Maybe they could make a list of the type of incidents that need it. Now that we have VAR, the ref no longer needs to memorise so many of these rules as such. He can just describe how he saw it and the VAR has a list/database to give the suggested outcome. Saying that, I'm probably overestimating how quickly VAR standards will improve.
 
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