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Fuckin hell mate i didn't even get one full night of hope before it's been dashed. Cheers for that.

Surely if they are talking about giving it to all the elderly and vulnerable then it can't be a live vaccine.
This current vaccine has no virus at all as far as i can understand it. The injection cusses your own body to create the protein spike of a covid virus. This causes an antibody reaction then when you actually encounter the virus your body already knows what it is. It's like you get emailed a wanted poster that you print out and put on your wall. So you know what the bad guy looks like before you actually encounter him. Or to summarise JVT from today's press conference its like playing football on a train. You get a penalty but like schrodingers cat you don't know until you take the shot if the goalkeeper is Ederson or Dibble.
 
An over simplified analogy from one as intelligent as yourself, therefore to coin a phrase..it must be tongue in cheek. Bevin said our welfare state was set up for all, including smokers, drinkers, fat people, partakers of extreme sports, drug abusers and even folk that wish to make their own educated or uneducated choice re vaccination. We are all tax payers and pay into "the pot" and nobody should be peer pressured into taking a vaccine if they do not feel confident to do so. Regarding choice I just opened a packet of Tesco cod fillet for my tea and the stench was horrendous. As I was preparing my parsley sauce the wife asked if I was actually going to eat it as it spelt so strong. As I prepped the sauce on the pan she hastily rushed the loins outside, binning them with extreme prejudice. The packet said eat by the 4th November which I had overlooked, however it was hermosetically sealed in my opinion should have still been good to go. If I was wheeled into casualty would it have been right and fitting for them to refuse treatment for making a bad life choice by imbibing parasitically laden-ed bacteria that caused me to wretch of scomboid fever. Why no, because I will have just made a poorly executed choice by not reading and availing of the use by date. Before I have the vaccine I shall do my own research and if and when I am good and ready then I may or may not allow my self to be injected.
Good evening Bob, thanks for the response. The tiny but very important bit that you missed out in your analogy is that you making a bad life choice eating dodgy cod fillets doesnt affect me or my family or friends or your friends. But you thinking you know more than the scientists or doubting those who have tested this vaccine and refusing to have it does put others af risk. Just the same as the non maskers, your decision to not have it will exasperate and prolong this awful situation and will mean all our lives will be put on hold longer. Your decision affects others not just yourself. By all means question the science if you are in a position of knowledge to do so. If not surely you are better to follow the guidance. Personally I find life works better that way.
 
Earlier in the year I seem to remember reading somewhere that waves in epidemics/ pandemics had a natural cycle of 6-8 weeks, no idea if there is any truth in that, however if the cycle started in the middle of September then we should be coming towards the end. The only question is will there be a third wave early in the New Year?. To some extent that may depend on vaccine availability and distribution.
 
Good evening Bob, thanks for the response. The tiny but very important bit that you missed out in your analogy is that you making a bad life choice eating dodgy cod fillets doesnt affect me or my family or friends or your friends. But you thinking you know more than the scientists or doubting those who have tested this vaccine and refusing to have it does put others af risk. Just the same as the non maskers, your decision to not have it will exasperate and prolong this awful situation and will mean all our lives will be put on hold longer. Your decision affects others not just yourself. By all means question the science if you are in a position of knowledge to do so. If not surely you are better to follow the guidance. Personally I find life works better that way.
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Am sure Bob will respond in kind shortly. (Almost worth staying up for)
 
Good evening Bob, thanks for the response. The tiny but very important bit that you missed out in your analogy is that you making a bad life choice eating dodgy cod fillets doesnt affect me or my family or friends or your friends. But you thinking you know more than the scientists or doubting those who have tested this vaccine and refusing to have it does put others af risk. Just the same as the non maskers, your decision to not have it will exasperate and prolong this awful situation and will mean all our lives will be put on hold longer. Your decision affects others not just yourself. By all means question the science if you are in a position of knowledge to do so. If not surely you are better to follow the guidance. Personally I find life works better that way.
It was merely an analogy, albeit an honest one, so everyone should take note of sell by dates as they are there for a reason. What gave you the impression I knew more than the scientists and do feel free to quote where I have said such a thing. I could of course turn your own assertions back onto yourself by asking on what authority and expertise you speak, save for that which you have read in the press, publications or news feeds ? Are you a scientist, or do you hold a doctorate in the field of immunology or maybe a family member that works in this niche market. So you make a statement that our decision not to have it will exasperate and prolong the situation meaning all our lives will be put on hold longer. Show me the data and approved information that this is true. Even the makers of the vaccine will not stand on without an immunity from prosecution, so confident are they of their hurried end product.

And also where did I say I would refuse to have the vaccine ? I said I would evaluate the information first and then act on it. As an addendum you tell me to question the science if I'm in a position to do so are you proficient in your own scientific ability to support the science and if so what are your qualifications. At least afford to forum a copy of your own detailed thesis on the subject matter.

Like many others, you have a tendency to bleat out that what you read as being the god given truth and anyone who may question it must be an idiot. We advocate the choice to evaluate any and all information to the best of our ability, before allowing someone to inject us, nothing more, nothing less. So I have taken aboard all your rants and filed them for future reference. Maybe what you need to do is wind your neck in until you are in a position to chat shit with the clarity of an articulate one. Until then, you remain just another football fan throwing in his two-penny-worth on an off topic forum.
 
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It was merely an analogy, albeit a true one and so everyone should take note of sell by dates as they are there for a reason. What gave you the impression I knew more than the scientists and do feel free to quote where I have said such a thing. I could of course turn your own assertion back onto yourself by asking on what authority and expertise do you speak, save for that which you have read in the press, publications or news feeds ? Are you a scientist, or do you hold a doctorate in the field of immunology or maybe a family member that works in this niche market. So you make a statement that our decision not to have it will exasperate and prolong the situation meaning all our lives will be put on hold longer. Show me the data and approved information that this is true. Even the makers of the vaccine will not stand on without immunity from prosecution, so confident are they of their hurried end product.

And also where did I say I would refuse to have the vaccine ? I said I would evaluate the information first and then act on it. As an addendum you tell me to question the science if I'm in a position to do so. Again let us turn the auntie back onto yourself and ask ..are you proficient in your own scientific ability to support this science and if so what are your qualifications or at least afford to forum a copy of your own detailed thesis on the subject matter.

Like many others, you have a tendency to bleat out that what you read or imbibed as being the god given truth and anyone who may question it must be an idiot. We advocate individual choice to evaluate information before we allow someone to inject us, and nothing more or nothing less. So, I have taken aboard all your rants and filed them for future reference. Maybe what you need to do is wind your neck in until you are in a position to chat shit with the clarity of an articulate one. Until then, you remain just another football fan throwing in his two-penny-worth on an off topic forum.
Oh dear, I seem to have touched a nerve as you have resorted to insults. Happy to leave you to it.
 
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Oh dear, I seem to have touched a nerve as you have resorted to insults. Never mind.

Not at all matey and no insults intended, unlike yourself that inferred I was an idiot and was personally putting you at risk. However I will repeat again for you in the interest of clarity.

"Until then, you remain just another football fan throwing in his two-penny-worth on an off topic forum"

I hope we can still be chums? Hows the thesis going? Let me know when it's all done.
 
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