COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[squirtyflower]

Logistical issues by the sound of it. What a mess.

Edit: It’s like Hermes turning up with your parcel a week late.

That’s why the Oxford vaccine is a safer bet. Storage issues are negligible

 

[hilts]

No school absolutely would have been damaging for the mental health of our kids.

Not only has their education since September been vastly better than anything in the six months before it, they've had the chance to socialise, re-establish routines etc.

Never said I would shut schools

 

[Gabriel]

I’m not sure what they are aiming for, foolish to give targets, but we are certainly not at 1million a week yet.

Israel's progress will make quite an interesting benchmark.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...vid-inoculation-drive-israel-vaccinates-five/

 

[hilts]

My kids primary School going back in Sept was the best event to happen in the last 9 months for me. Her mental health improved 10 fold within days of being back. She got through 12 weeks with no isolation problems and has once again thrived when In the previous 6 months she was floundering.

If only the dead could nod their approval:-)

 

[moomba]

Never said I would shut schools

You said that they shouldnt have opened in September.

All I'm saying is that would have caused significant problems.

 

[squirtyflower]

Israel's progress will make quite an interesting benchmark.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...vid-inoculation-drive-israel-vaccinates-five/

I think, like many other yes/no conundrum, not everything everywhere can be compared so easily.
Logistics of transport, storage, vaccine centres, patients etc etc is different for each country.
I just hope it rolls out smoothly and the deaths are reduced.

 

[Healdplace]

As of yesterday - as I posted last night - in London in the past week Covid hospital patients rose from 3559 to 5371 - that is 1812 (and more than a 50% increase) in just 7 days.

Whereas the NW in those same 7 days FELL from 2406 to 2346,

London is also now at 599 on icu ventilator beds - up from 400 - a near 50% increase - in just 7 days.

Whereas NW has been falling in recent days and at 171 is only 18 up in the week - a 10% rise and way under the peak numbers in April.

These do not look like two areas with the same problem. Yet when the NW was like London is now and London was like the NW is now a couple of months ago they were treated differently because it would have been unfair to treat London the same as the NW and nobody wanted a national lockdown.

Now those rules are seemingly different and I have spoken to two people today both of whom are breaking the tier 4 rules to celebrate New Year tonight because they just think the government has lost control and does not act fairly and rules are such a mess they will just do what they want to do and be reasonably sensible because that is fairer than the partitions that have been created.

I bet you can multiply that by many households.

I am staggered by the way so many politicians are mismanaging something this important and seem so out of touch with what the nation thinks. Lessons never seem to be learned and the same mistakes keep getting repeated resulting in hasty course corrections that end up being less effective and more damaging to the economy as they take longer to put right.

I know none of this is easy to judge and balance and I was happy to give a new government time to get themselves in order. To be honest I don't care who is running the country only about the soundness of what we do as a nation in response to this terrible problem.

And it is hard to argue we have performed well over the past 9 months. We almost seem to be flapping about like a wet fish on the shoreline hoping we can stay alive long enough for the tide to turn.

 

[Gabriel]

I think, like many other yes/no conundrum, not everything everywhere can be compared so easily.
Logistics of transport, storage, vaccine centres, patients etc etc is different for each country.
I just hope it rolls out smoothly and the deaths are reduced.

Yes, I don't think there will be a like-for-like comparator, but we should be learning from what countries do well and what countries do not. That's why I think it would be prudent to avoid setting ambitious but unrealistic targets and be more transparent about what we can expect to receive from manufacturers and when.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Yes, I don't think there will be a like-for-like comparator, but we should be learning from what countries do well and what countries do not. That's why I think it would be prudent to avoid setting ambitious but unrealistic targets and be more transparent about what we can expect to receive from manufacturers and when.

I am not sure we would get more accurate information than Israel. I’m just glad to hear it’s going well for them.

 

[hilts]

You said that they shouldnt have opened in September.

All I'm saying is that would have caused significant problems.

Shouldn’t have started the year same as uni’s. Attendance should have been voluntary based on certain criteria. Less kids at school not having to be crammed in classes. Start the year at a later date. It’s not set in stone that school years have to run sept to May hell not even set in stone what age you have to start or finish school. Same with uni’s.

The time could have been used to catch up on what was missed more outdoor activities, home learning if parents wanted that. Kids are individuals and not all parents work or work full time.

It’s more important kids get a good education delayed rather than a poor one right now.

The problems were easily forecast but since the beginning we have had a poor reactive govt. rather than a good proactive one.