COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Sheriff Fatman]

French Dr's are saying that anti-inflamatory medication could be aggravating the infection.

Ibuprofen style painkillers are always risky for respitory issues as they narrow the airwaves. As an asthma sufferer this and aspirin aren't recommended. Paracetamol is recommended for asthma sufferers.

 

[paulchapo]

Fuck me chapo,kicked him out our rep came to see us last night 18-00 good guy gave us some good info most probs coming home Saturday they seem to want everybody of the islands.

Yes, luckily he knows someone who lives there as he goes a lot who is putting him up. In Tenerife I heard the army is being brought in to enforce the lockdown.

 

[domalino]

31st December.

https://www.newsweek.com/china-traces-coronavirus-back-first-confirmed-patient-zero-1492327

Earliest confirmed case in the world was November 17.

 

[goalmole]

whilst I am worried for my kids and grandkids which is natural I am more worried about my Mrs who has asthma. Kids should be fine based on stats so far. It’s the elderly that are dying from this.

I have a 78 year old mother that lives with us, so if the kids get infected then she probably gets infected too.
I do agree that the elderly are at much greater risk but you wouldn't want to take a chance with anyone, young or old.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I think the point was more that, using us for an example. were testing 1.5k a day, then that increased to 10k a day that means a lot more will be found in a short period of time skewing the doubling time.

so for now im trying to avoid those rates a bit.

That is of course true. The numbers of dead is a good indicator since there can be little arguing about that.

 

[M18CTID]

I agree largely - but there are some other considerations on this which the airlines have to pay attention to.

Cyprus has just gone into - I was due to fly there with BA in a few days. But..................

The lock down still means that Cypriot citizens are allowed in and of course some of the people on the flight will be Cypriot citizens - there were also other exceptions. So the flight is going ahead.

So BA cannot really just cancel the flight - what they have done is give me a voucher for the value of my tickets for use against a future booking - which seems more than fair enough to me as they will have the double whammy of still operating the flight and then the reduced profit from a further flight

Perhaps Malta has a similar policy/situation?

Yep, sorry - I'm just thinking of holidaymakers only. Of course, there are exceptions outside of that

 

[Fred_Quimby]

whilst I am worried for my kids and grandkids which is natural I am more worried about my Mrs who has asthma. Kids should be fine based on stats so far. It’s the elderly that are dying from this.

Nope. Wrong again. The majority may be but young, healthy people are still dying from it.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Correct.

Though Lad Bible did an interview with a person called Connor Reed, who was the first Brit to contract the virus in Wuhan and he stated he was sick with it back in November.

Whilst what he describes the illness being like is pretty brutal, I do feel it probably indicates that this has been around since late October/early November.

I had the flu and a temperature in early December and was totally fucked for a week. No cough though I was wheezy. Wonder if that was it?

 

[Fred_Quimby]

I had the flu and a temperature in early December and was totally fucked for a week. No cough though I was wheezy. Wonder if that was it?

If you not dead then it wasn't :)

 

[goalmole]

If all scientists were created equal, it would be a bit pointless wouldn't it?
-Anthony Costello, a UK paediatrician and former director of the World Health Organization (WHO), said he had personally written to the chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, asking for testing to continue in the community.
-Devi Sridhar, professor of global public health at The University of Edinburgh
-Immunologists, in a separate open letter, said they had “significant questions” about the government’s apparent strategy
-Behavioural scientists joined the concern, saying they believed the government should immediately bring in social distancing measures

A lot of specialists don't agree with it, a lot do. The point is, you can't just blindly listen to everything you're being told IMHO and need to see both sides, then make the best decision for yourself, while remembering how it will also affect everyone due to the nature of the virus.

I'm sick of listening to all these experts with their project fear.
We should have a referendum on what to do next.

 

[SilverFox2]

They don't need units, they need to stay at home.

Exactly D.

 

[George Hannah]

So what you're saying is our government ( and plenty of others ) just gave up instead of taking the strong measures others have and that the WHO are pleading for.

Only takes 1 or 2 reasonably large countries though to take this from a containable situation into the clusterfuck we're in now.

If every country had stamped on this hard and fast like China/Korea then we could have contained it.

There is no evidence China and Korea have contained it yet - let's hope the UK scientists are wrong and there are no further severe outbreaks in those countries. We have certainly not given up and no measures have been ruled out. Like all previous ones, this virus will run its course and spread until levels of immunity stop it or there is a vaccine. We'll have to wait a while to see what was the most effective strategy.

 

[goalmole]

Correct, there is a scientific consensus about most but not all aspects of the pandemic and we are all entitled to our opinion. As a non-expert mine is we should follow the best advice available from those who are - in a multidisciplinary context - as the government is doing.

I don't trust their motives and priorities.

 

[jimharri]

If you not dead then it wasn't :)

If he is dead, that's fantastic typing!

 

[Chippy_boy]

We have to realise that the government has other compulsions than solely the health of the population. They will have one eye on the effect on the economy etc. They will of course dress it up to sound like our welfare is the priority but I think they will be looking at it in a more holistic way, which may or may not be the right thing for the country as a whole in the long run but in the short term it may be devastating to the population.

Absolutely correct.

What people who keep saying "trust the advice of the scientists" fail to grasp is that these are political decisions more than scientific ones. If you asked scientists right now, what was the best way to limit deaths from COVID-19 to an absolute minimum, then surely the answer would be to shut all non-essential services down immediately and send everyone home. Patrol the streets with troops and keep everyone apart from those involved in food production and distribution (and one or two other essential activities) shut in. Job done.

But obviously the political answer is we cannot simply do that. So immediately you are not acting solely on scientific advice. Practical and economic considerations have to come into it. The scientists produce models to suggest the most appropriate actions given certain constraints. And the politicians consider the recommendations and the pros and cons and make a political decision as to the best overall course. You can simply say "it's the Chief Medical Officer's" recommendation.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Correct.

Though Lad Bible did an interview with a person called Connor Reed, who was the first Brit to contract the virus in Wuhan and he stated he was sick with it back in November.

Whilst what he describes the illness being like is pretty brutal, I do feel it probably indicates that this has been around since late October/early November.

If the first reported case from China was 31st December I expect this to have certainly been around from a month to six weeks earlier. And it will have been more widespread than Wuhan too.

 

[grunge]

There is no evidence China and Korea have contained it yet - let's hope the UK scientists are wrong and there are no further severe outbreaks in those countries. We have certainly not given up and no measures have been ruled out. Like all previous ones, this virus will run its course and spread until levels of immunity stop it or there is a vaccine. We'll have to wait a while to see what was the most effective strategy.

We have given up attempted to contain it. thats what moving to delay phase meant. to be honest I dont think we tried very hard at all to contain it.

and the WHO are saying China has contained it thats for sure, they are using China as the blue print on how to contain it and even delayed calling it a pandemic as China proved it was containable..

the fact that we, and other countries failed to contain it opens them up to contamination from outside though.

 

[Shaelumstash]

What's your problem with believing this country's top medical and scientific experts? What is it you think they are lying about?

Mate I think your posts on herd immunity are well intentioned and you clearly understand the logic behind the theory.

But the Health Secretary Matt Hancock said yesterday that herd immunity was not the official government strategy.

The WHO and wider scientific community were alarmed at the noises that it was an official position.

Until someone from the UK government comes out and explicitly says it is, I don’t think it’s helpful to be spreading it (pun intended).

I’d encourage you to read this article from Matt Hanage who researches and teaches the evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard’s Chan School of Public Health.

He’s more qualified than any of us to pass comment. His initial reaction when he heard the UK government’s position was herd immunity is that he thought it was satire.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...st-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19

 

[somapop]

All the family had that horrific coughing flu over Christmas. Non stop coughing for nigh on 2 weeks. I hadn't been ill for so long (I put it down to a heavy exercise routine) but yesterday I once again came down with feeling awful. Last night I had shiver, stomach pains, sickness and muscle aches...haven't felt to rough for some time. No respiratory issues however. Perhaps it's the anxiety over all this manifesting into an illness (felt like food poisoning tbf).

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? The experts you seem to trust implicitly (specifically Patrick Vallance) said on Thursday, "much more likely we've got somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 people infected."

With doubling every 3 days, that would mean 10,000 to 20,000 as of now. Either way, a very small fraction of homes.

Just telling you what a doctor told my daughter 2 days ago mate. That's all. But there is no doubt in my mind that there are many more people with this virus than the official stats. Especially as they seem to only be testing people with serious symptoms.