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Talking to my cousin who is a paramedic, they are moving nearly all Covid patients to the Nightingale and they’ve seen a spike two weeks after VE Day!! She says the thinking is to get everyone out now to get infected and hopefully be able to deal with them before the inevitable winter flu hits us.
 
Had my bloods done at the doctors today (They called me in I didn't make the appointment) stood outside because all the doors were locked and the bells were taken off so people didn't infect the buttons by pressing them. I scrubbed my hands with hand sanitiser that I had topped up with 99.9% IPA the second the door opened.

I was given a mask which I put on and was ushered to the toilet to wash my hands, the toilets were in a bad state and all that was there was the generic dispensing soap so I obliged obviously touching the taps dispenser and hand drier that numerous people today had touched before. When I emerged from the toilet I pulled out my high alcohol handwash and washed my hands with it again, the nurse asked me what I was doing and I explained that what the practice was doing could actually spread Covid.
 
St.Pauli support said:
In the meantime test numbers are high enough for stats (worldometer numbers).

In the UK 270k from 3.9m tests were positive (6.7%).
In the US 1.75m from 16m test were positive (10.9%).
Worldwide 5.8m from (very roughly) 75m test were positive (7.7%).

Shouldn't we assume in this early phase of the pandemic mostly symptomatic persons should have been tested? The chance must be quite high that we have at least hit the average infection rate.

Why should we have tested an under-average number of positive persons?

If it's true PCR tests are at least 97% accurate the true infection rate shouldn't be higher than the %-ages above, even if not welcome as a message.

No?
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I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the total tests a combination of antibody tests having gotten over the virus and tests to see if the patient is still symptomatic with the virus?
 
Blue Maverick said:
Talking to my cousin who is a paramedic, they are moving nearly all Covid patients to the Nightingale and they’ve seen a spike two weeks after VE Day!! She says the thinking is to get everyone out now to get infected and hopefully be able to deal with them before the inevitable winter flu hits us.
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Not a chance. It's been known from the start that it doesn't spread well outside due to a number of reasons. No way they would lock down for 10 weeks just to let everyone out to catch it.
 
BigOscar said:
I think that's probably because most assumed the government would actually try and stop the virus, not just give a half arsed go at it for 6 weeks and then just let everything go back to normal and pretend they'd fixed it. Hard to imagine why we wouldn't just start all getting infected again like before the lockdown, as nothing really has changed (except maybe 5% are immune and thousands are now dead)
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Depends what you mean by normal? There’s no sign yet in any of the other countries that have relaxed lockdown that people are all just getting infected again.

I think Social distancing and the measures put in place before the lockdown were already starting to have an effect and the hope is that it will be enough to keep it under control as things are eased.
 
cleavers said:
If 200,000 don't book tests what do you expect them to, go knocking on peoples front doors ?
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That's one idea. Setting up mobile units was another - particularly targetting workplaces, or communities with high infection rates. The effort to be able to say we'd met a target being one thing, the actual effort required to make testing effective being quite another.
 
Mon Autre said:
Hard to comment because I don't know how or who you're comparing too. I know in other European countries they have a much higher care home population per capita than ours and in Belgium they counted cases where it was only suspected and never tested patients.

That aside, the situation in our care homes has been a farce regardless of comparisons elsewhere. For you to sound so chipper about it as part of your wider need to play down how badly the whole thing has been handled is pretty disrespectful to those who have paid the ultimate price.
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The countries in Europe are: Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy and Spain.
I should point out that the UK counted suspected cases of Covid-19 in care homes as well as other countries.
 
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somapop said:
I’ll not be linking a conspiracy here but this prolonged Mediterranean vibe has added to the fucking weirdness over the past two months. Greatest ’summer’ in years.
Like a childhood Pontins ad nauseum.

how many new cases in South Korea btw? More of a blip that’s being dealt with properly?
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It's a really shit time to not have a garden or balcony, or any notable green space anywhere near you...i'll tell you that.
 
grunge said:
in graph form.

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3 day rolling average
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this site is excellent, you can and and compare what ever countries you like from loads of graph options
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...y-average?country=FRA~ITA~NLD~KOR~ESP~GBR~USA




Adding for context.... we need to realise this isn't petering out. its still increasing globally.

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Great site. Thanks.
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
A simple five minute walk outside will tell you why. Apart from the shops being open, people are meeting up with each other. I don’t think the current form of a lockdown can be sustained much longer.
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It could if they wanted it to. Urgent, repeated messaging. PSAs, away from the press conferences that people have given up listening to, letters sent out again, texts to every phone, police encouraged to caution people again etc etc. But they've not done any of that since the very first message. This public needs constant reminders. It's been half-arsed tbh. Can only presume its intentional.
 
cleavers said:
It won't be "normal" though, it'll be quite a different normal.
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well come Monday - there will be bbq party’s up and down the land, beaches packed, shops opening, trains, tubes busy (all of which has been happening anyway)

in a couple months what actually won't be normal ?
 
Summerbuzz said:
That's one idea. Setting up mobile units was another - particularly targetting workplaces, or communities with high infection rates. The effort to be able to say we'd met a target being one thing, the actual effort required to make testing effective being quite another.
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What's the point wasting tests on people who don't need one ? They should only be testing people who think they have symptoms, and if people are not booking tests it's good news, because less people are suffering possible symptoms.
 
Under these new rules can people from other households be in a car together?

Say my olds need picking up cos they don't drive and we want to go for a walk in the park for example.....
 
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