Put this in the other thread but fits this too.If we’d held out just a 3-4 weeks longer with a stronger lockdown then we’d have most likely avoided it, at least to the degree it will hit now.
I agree and Health and Safety way regarding risk assessment is first avoid that risk altogether then if that is not possible minimise it eg PPE and distance observation. Re work it is the responsibility of the employer to do this legal H and S risk assessment. In public areas you rely on others observing the same rules so avoid them totally. Here in Spain it is mandatory to wear a face mask in public areas to mainly protect others. Luckily we can tell those without masks to be those who don't care so can be treated accordingly.I think some people's concerns though are that they can't really isolate from them. They've got to go to work etc. Those indifferent to the rules put others who are trying their best at risk, and only prolong everything for the rest of us. They really are arrogant, selfish bastards.
The 2nd wave is going to be as bad if not worse than the first.
If we’d held out just a 3-4 weeks longer with a stronger lockdown then we’d have most likely avoided it, at least to the degree it will hit now.
Unfortunately people thought ‘protecting the economy’ was more important. What they didn’t realise that holding out just that bit longer would protect the economy much more than rushing back into things would.
Younger people out drinking, people of all ages going round to houses. Social distancing isn’t an exact science. If you’re round someone’s house getting pissed and one of you has the virus it’s likely it would be passed on if you’re with each other all day, using the same bathroom etc, even if you’re so far apart.
The figures in a few months are going to be horrendous compared to the countries which did lockdown right, and they already look outrageously bad right now.
This government has so much to answer for.
I disagree mate. The mistake that was made, if any, was to not enforce a stricter lockdown for the 9/10 weeks that lockdown was in place. The “people” in the majority have just got bored of it, and Brits in particular are a lazy arrogant bunch that think they know best, so certainly the younger generation have just switched back to somewhere near their old routines.The 2nd wave is going to be as bad if not worse than the first.
If we’d held out just a 3-4 weeks longer with a stronger lockdown then we’d have most likely avoided it, at least to the degree it will hit now.
Unfortunately people thought ‘protecting the economy’ was more important. What they didn’t realise that holding out just that bit longer would protect the economy much more than rushing back into things would.
Younger people out drinking, people of all ages going round to houses. Social distancing isn’t an exact science. If you’re round someone’s house getting pissed and one of you has the virus it’s likely it would be passed on if you’re with each other all day, using the same bathroom etc, even if you’re so far apart.
The figures in a few months are going to be horrendous compared to the countries which did lockdown right, and they already look outrageously bad right now.
This government has so much to answer for.
I disagree mate. The mistake that was made, if any, was to not enforce a stricter lockdown for the 9/10 weeks that lockdown was in place. The “people” in the majority have just got bored of it, and Brits in particular are a lazy arrogant bunch that think they know best, so certainly the younger generation have just switched back to somewhere near their old routines.
Hard to compare the stats though. Look at it this way. new cases circa 2k from around 100000 tests ( I am using rough figures) equates to 2%. Scotland showing 50 cases from around 2000 tests = 2.5%Put this in the other thread but fits this too.
Just to add to this, about 3 weeks ago when England came out of lockdown Scotland was at about 3-400 new cases / day equivalent for population to about 4000 new cases /day in the UK. Those current 50ish Scottish cases / day would be equivalent to 500 new UK cases / day.
Those extra 3 weeks of lockdown seem to have made a significant difference to coming out of lockdown at a lower base.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52009463
There is no guarantee there is even going to be a second wave so god knows how you work that one out. I swear some people on here see it as a competition to see who can be as pessimistic and miserable as possible, keep your doom mongering to your self.
I’m saying I disagree that we’d have been capable of getting a further 3/4 weeks of lockdown out of the population.Disagree with what? You’re already saying the lockdown should have been stricter. By saying that you must think there are consequences to that.
Silent spreading is the reason this virus is so dangerous. Influenza can also spread before an individual has symptoms but the viral load during such spread is nothing like at the same level. Also with Covid-19 some people can spread it without ever becoming ill.Before anyone gets too comfortable...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52840763
The second wave is not now. R is still below one.The 2nd wave is going to be as bad if not worse than the first.
If we’d held out just a 3-4 weeks longer with a stronger lockdown then we’d have most likely avoided it, at least to the degree it will hit now.
Unfortunately people thought ‘protecting the economy’ was more important. What they didn’t realise that holding out just that bit longer would protect the economy much more than rushing back into things would.
Younger people out drinking, people of all ages going round to houses. Social distancing isn’t an exact science. If you’re round someone’s house getting pissed and one of you has the virus it’s likely it would be passed on if you’re with each other all day, using the same bathroom etc, even if you’re so far apart.
The figures in a few months are going to be horrendous compared to the countries which did lockdown right, and they already look outrageously bad right now.
This government has so much to answer for.
No guarantee of a second wave, but highly probable.There is no guarantee there is even going to be a second wave so god knows how you work that one out. I swear some people on here see it as a competition to see who can be as pessimistic and miserable as possible, keep your doom mongering to your self.
Where are these hotspot maps mate, got a link?No guarantee of a second wave, but highly probable.
There certainly isn't one at the moment as most of England is down to an R of around 0.4 (see the hotspot maps published a few days ago)
The 2nd wave is going to be as bad if not worse than the first.
If we’d held out just a 3-4 weeks longer with a stronger lockdown then we’d have most likely avoided it, at least to the degree it will hit now.
Unfortunately people thought ‘protecting the economy’ was more important. What they didn’t realise that holding out just that bit longer would protect the economy much more than rushing back into things would.
Younger people out drinking, people of all ages going round to houses. Social distancing isn’t an exact science. If you’re round someone’s house getting pissed and one of you has the virus it’s likely it would be passed on if you’re with each other all day, using the same bathroom etc, even if you’re so far apart.
The figures in a few months are going to be horrendous compared to the countries which did lockdown right, and they already look outrageously bad right now.
This government has so much to answer for.
Given prior to the lockdown we did absolutely nothing to stop the spread, the 2nd wave cannot be as bad. We know far more and we are testing far more so we will detect spikes faster.
Last time we hadn't even thought to call 999 but this time the fire engines are parked outside ready for the fire.
The only way to catch this virus and spread it is to catch it from someone else but the current estimate is that only 0.24% of the entire population are currently infected. The risk now generally is very low and if we can maintain R below 1 by social distancing than that number will reduce even more.
For the most part, if even 50% of the population follows the rules then that's a 50% reduction in infections which at the worst of the first wave brings R down from 3 to 1.5.
The most interesting statistic is that for every coronavirus test performed only 21% actually had symptoms........ I think the real number who have been infected already is MASSIVE and well into the tens of millions. This for me is why immunity testing is far more important than finding a vaccine.
If the above is correct and many do have immunity (ie herd immunity) then there's a very low chance of a second wave anyway.