COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[SebastianBlue]

The entire scheme is a farce, from a public health and economic perspective.

It’s wildly disconnected from the National and Regional case and transmission data, it’s seemingly ignoring the current best-available modelling and understanding of pathogen transmission, there is little in the way of authoritative explanation as to the real differences between Tier restrictions in practice, there’s obvious and rampant politicalisation of Tier classifications, many of the restrictions themselves make no sense for lowering transmission and general mitigation (especially in the context of their regions), and there is scant development of a financial support apparatus sufficient to combat the further inevitable economic impact of the restrictions.

It will accomplish almost none of its stated goals, partly because the blatant politicking, malfeasance, and incompetence will drive people to openly ignore (even contradict) the few useful bits of guidance and effective restrictions.

This, and most previous action, quite literally embodies the “wrong way for governments to respond” many historians and public health experts having been warning against since the pandemic began, based on centuries of analysis of previous health crises.

And that’s coming from someone that has and does take this virus very seriously (as all of my posts in this thread will attest) and supports evidence-based lockdown measures.

 

[paulchapo]

Good grief....

The health secretary again praised the progress in Liverpool and the work of local leaders to make mass community testing a success.
He added that when local leaders did not work with the government, there was an impact on infection levels, with cases going up.
This was in "sharp contrast" with Liverpool and other areas where local leadership were "constructive and positive", Hancock said.

It's a pop at Burnham and the carrot and stick approach. Be good boys and girls and comply and get your reward, play up in class and everyone gets lines.

Mass testing wasn't a success in Liverpool. After the initial rush test centres were empty. Mass testing wouldn't push infection rates down anyway as if it discovered more people with the virus surely that would use the figures up?

Manchester has been shut down for months except for supermarkets so if anything we have complied by having to.

 

[Northernstorirs]

How are infections in Manchester still high given we've been in lockdown? Nowhere is open apart from Supermarkets, hospitals and garden centres. Are people just flouting the rules by visiting each others homes?

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

why not review tiers every few days or at least weekly based on case numbers. why wait two weeks??

 

[BLUEMATT23]

It's a pop at Burnham and the carrot and stick approach. Be good boys and girls and comply and get your reward, play up in class and everyone gets lines.

Mass testing wasn't a success in Liverpool. After the initial rush test centres were empty. Mass testing wouldn't push infection rates down anyway as if it discovered more people with the virus surely that would use the figures up?

Manchester has been shut down for months except for supermarkets so if anything we have complied by having to.

I disagree slightly on Manchester.
We simply haven't complied enough, packing out the trafford centre, shops and other muppets not wearing masks.
I blame the younger generation.

 

[meeesh]

Muscles flexed towards Burnham that stroke,politics win out yet again,the civil war is getting closer by the day

 

[domalino]

How are infections in Manchester still high given we've been in lockdown? Nowhere is open apart from Supermarkets, hospitals and garden centres. Are people just flouting the rules by visiting each others homes?

There's no other explanation really, is there?

 

[Manc in London]

Tier 3, eh? Shocked, I am!

I put my business into creditors voluntary liquidation this week after almost 29 years - I'll pay nearly £5k for the privilege too.

I've fought like fuck for months but sometimes you have to do it for the good of your health and sanity.

I'm just a one-man director band, christ knows what Manchester and its surroundings are gonna look like four months from now.

As long as London is okay though!

Sad to hear that, Blue. Hope you get back on your feet soon.

 

[worsleyweb]

Don’t shoot the messenger but the BMA are about to criticise the oxford vaccine process I am informed. Not good news at all.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Don’t shoot the messenger but the BMA are about to criticise the oxford vaccine process I am informed. Not good news at all.

Jesus fucking christ. Why is everything grim again? Couple of weeks of optimism has been snapped away in the space of an utter shite 4 days of news.

 

[ID70]

It is not true that all over London is rising. 18/32 boroughs are falling.

This doesn't mean the tiering is right though.

It falling significantly in boroughs across Greater Manchester too but that has not stopped them putting us in Tier 3, its nothing to do with the 'science' its a clear dig at failing to comply with the request to go in to Tier 3 last time.

 

[twosips]

There's no other explanation really, is there?

Defo that, but what's gone under the radar is that an awful lot of people are still just at work in offices, shops etc. I know a few friends who are back in offices as their bosses are forcing them to be, despite the advice to work from home. That of course has an impact. One of my closest mates was told to come in despite being unwell until she got an actual positive test (she did, and she did have it...worrying)

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Jesus fucking christ. Why is everything grim again? Couple of weeks of optimism has been snapped away in the space of an utter shite 4 days of news.

Pay no heed to rumour. And of course rational criticism is perfectly fine, and not necessarily pertinent to immediate roll out.

The *only* thing that matters is MHRA opinion. Not sure what timeline is, but I'd guess 2-3 weeks.

 

[Manc in London]

It is not true that all over London is rising. 18/32 boroughs are falling.

This doesn't mean the tiering is right though.

Just to add, I have noticed, from looking regularly at the 100 LAs with the highest n cases in 100,000, has included London councils on only one day. There was just two of the team are they were around 80th place. Camden is only 89 in 100,000.

From a purely selfish POV, I would rather London was in Tier 3 for a week or so longer.

 

[paulchapo]

I disagree slightly on Manchester.
We simply haven't complied enough, packing out the trafford centre, shops and other muppets not wearing masks.
I blame the younger generation.

There are no shops open except supermarkets. I will agree families and couples are still using those when it's supposed to be one person. I see couples in the shop then both go out back to the car. Surely one can shop and one wait in the car?

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Pay no heed to rumour. And of course rational criticism is perfectly fine, and not necessarily pertinent to immediate roll out.

The *only* thing that matters is MHRA opinion. Not sure what timeline is, but I'd guess 2-3 weeks.

The only upside to this, in my thoughts anyway, is that if I'm taking all this in right then every bit of criticism seems to be about the way they have reported their results specifically the 90% efficacy and subsequently the 70% average figure. If the criticisms are deemed fair, and they get made to run with the lower 63% then this is still good news and its just their claim of 90%/70% which is in dispute. But if the entire process as a whole is brought into question then it complicates matters somewhat more.

 

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[inchy14]

Yes, putting us in tier 3 makes perfect sense, no political agenda there whatsoever.

 

[Tim of the Oak]