COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

But at least they'll all be together to open the 11 pairs of socks and 16 pairs of boxers they'll all get.

indeed! Every cloud....

 

[M18CTID]

Well you won't get good take-up in the general population if you use up the good one on the first 9 groups. It's like the school dinner queue and you're at the back and the only thing left is tofu. Just wait for the next shipment of the good one to come through.

You’re forgetting all the anti-vaxxer conspiracy dickheads who said they won’t have it, so more Pfizer jabs to to go round.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Well you won't get good take-up in the general population if you use up the good one on the first 9 groups. It's like the school dinner queue and you're at the back and the only thing left is tofu. Just wait for the next shipment of the good one to come through.

Can see how this will play out. Those of us in our twenties will be given Sputnik V.

 

[artfuldodger]

Can see how this will play out. Those of us in our twenties will be given Sputnik V.

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That really made me laugh.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

 

[BlueHammer85]

More great news: First vaccine jabs could be as soon as 7th Dec

Hospitals in England told to prepare for Covid vaccine rollout in 10 days' time

Exclusive: NHS could receive first deliveries of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine as soon as 7 December

www.theguardian.com

Food for thought for those on here who want to be able to pick and choose between vaccines on personal preference - logistics defining who gets it first in front even of medical need, let alone personal preference.

Also a reflection that the Oxford/AZ jab could be as soon as a week after that if MHRA can review data on that in the same time frame (I'm guessing they might struggle to do two at once, which could delay things a bit). And if course fingers crossed they actually find it suitable for approval.

The end is increasingly in sight.

On the basis of this, they should absolutely not open up for Xmas - I know many will ignore the rules anyway - but we’re so close to the finish line , why cause a 3rd wave

 

[Healdplace]

Here are the weekly pop scores for the GM boroughs every 2 days over the past 5 weeks - 24 October to today.

The Pop Score is just total cases over the previous 7 days per100, 000 people. The lower the better. Anything over 500 is usually in the top red watch areas of the UK. Going up is bad. Going down is good. The faster they do so the more cases are falling.

You can track how they have moved over those 5 weeks. The final number is the last 24 hours.

The big ups and downs in some boroughs a week or so before the end are the result of the add on and take off of cases when students were reassigned to Manchester and Salford and taken off elsewhere. After 7 days this impact disappeared off the weekly numbers with sudden drops or rises and normal numbers then returned for the last few.

BOLTON 545 - 562 - 567 - 574 - 596 - 592 - 560 - 553 - 522 - 508 - 472 - 478 - 470 - 411 - 356 - 297 - 313 - 290 - 269

BURY 492 - 511 - 551 - 556 - 611 - 594 - 593 - 597 - 568 - 558 - 523 - 547 - 512 - 438 - 347 - 293 - 317 - 279 - 244

MANCHESTER 492 - 505 - 503 - 517 - 522 - 499 - 479 - 468 - 446 - 429 - 390 - 410 - 403 - 929 - 868 - 820 - 262 - 228 - 208

OLDHAM 596 - 644 - 682 - 731 - 755 - 746 - 789 - 764 - 740 - 688 - 665 - 625 - 601 - 559 - 464 - 408 - 394 - 353 - 290

ROCHDALE 600 - 580 - 608 - 611 - 640 - 622 - 590 - 593 - 575 - 567 - 560 - 552 - 535 - 521 - 441 - 370 - 376 - 336 - 307

SALFORD 565 - 591 - 606 - 637 - 693 - 662 - 646 - 577 - 539 - 501 - 487 - 475 - 637 - 617 - 511 - 440 - 261 - 215 - 176

STOCKPORT 361 - 376 - 411 - 463 - 491 - 473 - 440 - 393 - 362 - 356 - 333 - 360 - 347 - 280 - 229 - 184 - 221 - 205 - 171

TAMESIDE 454 - 486 - 526 - 545 - 576 - 555 - 539 - 500 - 456 - 451 - 403 - 433 - 421 - 426 - 389 - 337 - 256 - 239 - 180

TRAFFORD 395 - 431 - 436 - 445 - 448 - 420 - 411 - 406 - 389 - 398 - 377 - 384 - 372 - 215 - 149 - 87 - 173 - 169 - 122

WIGAN 579 - 628 - 669 - 704 - 741 - 708 - 688 - 634 - 603 - 570 - 509 - 508 - 470 - 431 - 363 - 320 - 315 - 269 - 248

 

[paulchapo]

Anybody who has had dealings with the delightful West Midlands police force will know on the whole they are the pits. This is their response after a second separate video surfaced of their officers issuing a fine and ordering a woman to leave a supermarket for not wearing a mask. After the first one was circulated they issued an apology and said they had made their officers aware of the law regarding face coverings. This reply proves they don't even know the law themselves, or have chosen to just ignore it.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Anybody who has had dealings with the delightful West Midlands police force will know on the whole they are the pits. This is their response after a second separate video surfaced of their officers issuing a fine and ordering a woman to leave a supermarket for not wearing a mask. After the first one was circulated they issued an apology and said they had made their officers aware of the law regarding face coverings. This reply proves they don't even know the law themselves, or have chosen to just ignore it.

They are on a hiding to absolute nothing. Can't do right for doing wrong.

Enforce the rules - people complain
Don't enforce the rules - people complain

A consequence of wishy washy rules and lack of leadership right to the top of government.

 

[paulchapo]

On the basis of this, they should absolutely not open up for Xmas - I know many will ignore the rules anyway - but we’re so close to the finish line , why cause a 3rd wave

People have a choice don't they?If they feel cramming into a pub for a meal, a drink and two more drinks then having to leave is a good idea in the present climate that's up to them. It doesn't sound like my idea of fun, not that I'll get the choice anyway being in tier three. As for families meeting up no legislation was ever going to stop that happening.

 

[paulchapo]

They are on a hiding to absolute nothing. Can't do right for doing wrong.

Enforce the rules - people complain
Don't enforce the rules - people complain

A consequence of wishy washy rules and lack of leadership right to the top of government.

Exemption cards​

If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

• you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
• you do not need show an exemption card

This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.

However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.
If you wish to use an exemption card or badge, you can download exemption card templates. You can then print these yourself or show them on a mobile device. Please note that the government is not able to provide physical exemption cards or badges.

So the woman had done the right thing downloading something from the internet to try and be helpful. Legally she wasn't obliged to do so or produce any evidence.

 

[zerox]

if she has no mask, and any sense or morality towards others, she wouldn't attempt to enter a shop.
There is online shopping, friends and family
She is a selfish prick.

 

[paulchapo]

if she has no mask, and any sense or morality towards others, she wouldn't attempt to enter a shop.
There is online shopping, friends and family
She is a selfish prick.

She may have no friends and family, cannot afford the £40 minimum spend, delivery charge or get a delivery slot for weeks. So she should stay home and starve then? If others are wearing masks and distancing I'm sure they'll be fine.

The point is it isn't illegal to enter a shop without a mask, nor do the shop staff or police have the right to remove you or fine you, or ask you to provide any proof of your disability or to explain it. Those are the government rules.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

She may have no friends and family, cannot afford the £40 minimum spend, delivery charge or get a delivery slot for weeks. So she should stay home and starve then? If others are wearing masks and distancing I'm sure they'll be fine.

The point is it isn't illegal to enter a shop without a mask, nor do the shop staff or police have the right to remove you or fine you, or ask you to provide any proof of your disability or to explain it. Those are the government rules.

its not hard to wear a face mask. if you were venerable you wouldnt be out shopping. we are far too soft and liberal in this country. she should have been fined on the spot and then marched straight to a cash point. it happens over most of Europe.

 

[somapop]

Cold as feck down here last couple of evenings. Stay warm.

-Cold air can inhibit the immune system. The blood vessels contract, and fewer white blood cells are present in your nose and throat to fight viruses and other infections at the source.
-SAGE have 4 degrees C as a sweet spot for the spread of Corona.
-Traditional flu is much more prevalent in the cold weather, and you certainly do not want to end up with both diseases.

And vitamin D levels drop as we get less exposure to sunlight. If you haven't already thought about a vitamin D supplement, it's a good time to do so.

Always a worry.
Although his cold water therapy fits in with this i don’t know.
I used to get ill every single winter.
Then I started running (ironically in mid winter a few years back).
I subsequently didn’t get ill every winter (and actually, was only last Xmas with that awful coughing flu did I finally succumb),
I take vit D every day now too.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

its not hard to wear a face mask. if you were venerable you wouldnt be out shopping. we are far too soft and liberal in this country. she should have been fined on the spot and then marched straight to a cash point. it happens over most of Europe.

Really? Is this correct?

Almost 9,000 people could be prosecuted for not paying coronavirus-related fines

Lawyer says people are being ‘unfairly criminalised’ amid wrongful prosecutions and disproportionate fining of black men

www.independent.co.uk

For a start It goes against natural justice in that there is no right of appeal, I accept that is a price worth paying due to the exceptional circumstances we find ourselves in but we already know that fines have been given out incorrectly. Do you not think the police marching people to cash points for fines which you can't appeal is open to potential abuse and corruption?

 

[paulchapo]

its not hard to wear a face mask. if you were venerable you wouldnt be out shopping. we are far too soft and liberal in this country. she should have been fined on the spot and then marched straight to a cash point. it happens over most of Europe.

The rules are different in other countries for sure. They are very clear here though. It is actually hard for some people to wear a mask, just because it isn't for you that doesn't mean it isn't for others. The fact she endures physical and/ or mental distress by wearing one doesn't mean that prevents her from going shopping, but wearing one will. You are totally missing the point, like the other poster. Whether you personally agree or not the police are breaking the law by challenging her and fining her. That is the law in the country she resides in. They and shop workers are warning they could be taken to court and fined up to £10,000 for acting in the manner they did to this lady. Or would you rather we had a police state where the police can ignore the rules and regulations they took an oath to uphold?

I do know, however, that some people will use this law to flout the mask wearing legislation of course and not be medically exempt. It isn't the police or the shop workers decision to challenge that or bully and fine the woman though. One exemption is it causes them mental distress and by challenging them they would certainly exacerbate that condition.

 

[paulchapo]

Always a worry.
Although his cold water therapy fits in with this i don’t know.
I used to get ill every single winter.
Then I started running (ironically in mid winter a few years back).
I subsequently didn’t get ill every winter (and actually, was only last Xmas with that awful coughing flu did I finally succumb),
I take vit D every day now too.

Is that Wim Hof you mean regarding cold water therapy? He has had some medically tested remarkable results for himself and others using that and breathing techniques.

 

[zerox]

She may have no friends and family, cannot afford the £40 minimum spend, delivery charge or get a delivery slot for weeks

then she needs a litlle help from the authorities of which she can reach out to, there are many different branches, before putting the public at risk

 

[paulchapo]

then she needs a litlle help from the authorities of which she can reach out to, there are many different branches, before putting the public at risk

She doesn't, she would be taking those services away from people not physically able to get to a shop. She can she just can't wear a mask. She is legally entitled to go and do her shopping without one without being confronted, threated, kicked out of the store and fined. Whether you or the police or the shop like it or not that is the law. Like the police should do I suggest you go to the government site and read the law on mask exemptions.

I find it uncomfortable to wear one after having pleurisy some time ago and mild asthma. I find breathing difficult and the mask makes me cough a lot, which causes alarm in some others as they think I have covid. I can bear it so I wear it. The reason is I know, like this woman, if I didn't I would face confrontation from shoppers, shop workers and possibly the police. A head injury five years ago means I am liable to lose my temper very quickly if confronted or put into a stressful situation. I am getting better at managing it but it can still be unpredictable. To avoid a violent confrontation I wear the mask. Funny though at the peak of the pandemic I didn't have to and numerous experts said they were of little use.