I don’t see how they cannot set out the parameters. What when they look at the data will they accept? They don’t need the data to know what they want the data to say.
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Covid and travel discussion
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BimboBob
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Why not?We went to Edinburgh last summer and enjoyed it (not as much as somewhere like Barcelona or Seville, mind you). Probably not somewhere we’d have gone if we’d been able to go abroad.
Uwe`s Grandad
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Are you an undertakerHow to prove my point.
I don’t work in the tourism industry.
I am up 30% year on year as a consequence of the pandemic. It has served me well financially.
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Summerbuzz
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I don't think people understand how the data works. We have masses of real life events that provide the input. We then can with very high confidence predict the probabilities of a range of outcomes.
There's no absolute certainty in any of it, but it's that damned close at some points in some ways that making decisions is pretty straightforward. Boris has learned the hard way. We can keep pretending optimism keeps the virus at bay. It really doesn't. The virus doesn't care. It doesn't think or feel at all. It's just a chemical.
We're looking at the same sort of decision we had when initially deciding if to go into lockdown. We left it, and it was worse than it needed to have been. Then we got impatient and decided to come out ASAP - leaving Manchester and the rest of the north fucked for most of the rest of the year. Then in December, we saw it comin g the whole time, and kept wishing it away. Leading to this lockdown and the tragedy of January.
We can do this forever, if people want. But a scientist can tell you there is another way.
Do what is neccesary to make the 'worst' outcomes very unlikely, do it ASAP and do it all for as long as you need to. Or don't, and then see what happens. You'll end up with stricter restrictions, for longer, just to avoid an inevitable catastrophe. It can literally go on forever. You shouldn't need to feel the air rushing from the oncoming train before you get off the tracks.
It's like the council tax bill. Payment is inevitable. You can wish it away as long as you like. But the bill keeps getting bigger all the time.
There's no absolute certainty in any of it, but it's that damned close at some points in some ways that making decisions is pretty straightforward. Boris has learned the hard way. We can keep pretending optimism keeps the virus at bay. It really doesn't. The virus doesn't care. It doesn't think or feel at all. It's just a chemical.
We're looking at the same sort of decision we had when initially deciding if to go into lockdown. We left it, and it was worse than it needed to have been. Then we got impatient and decided to come out ASAP - leaving Manchester and the rest of the north fucked for most of the rest of the year. Then in December, we saw it comin g the whole time, and kept wishing it away. Leading to this lockdown and the tragedy of January.
We can do this forever, if people want. But a scientist can tell you there is another way.
Do what is neccesary to make the 'worst' outcomes very unlikely, do it ASAP and do it all for as long as you need to. Or don't, and then see what happens. You'll end up with stricter restrictions, for longer, just to avoid an inevitable catastrophe. It can literally go on forever. You shouldn't need to feel the air rushing from the oncoming train before you get off the tracks.
It's like the council tax bill. Payment is inevitable. You can wish it away as long as you like. But the bill keeps getting bigger all the time.
I've got a few days booked in Portugal in month 10 this year, honestly not sure if I'll get there, because of the rest of Europe being so far behind the UK with vaccine program. I also think everyone who's planning a holiday this year ought to take it in the UK. The economy will benefit as will the population not encouraging the virus into our shores.
As a bonus we might get The Euros during the summer because we are the only nation who can hold the tournament safely albeit with fans living in the county and not allowing any overseas visitors
As a bonus we might get The Euros during the summer because we are the only nation who can hold the tournament safely albeit with fans living in the county and not allowing any overseas visitors
Tuearts right boot
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How can you mention City and History in the same paragraph ????Really hope we can go abroad this year. Its the one thing that now gets me through every shitty week at work.
If we can't then I've suggested a City break to the other half. Maybe Edinburgh or York. Somewhere with a bit of history.
RobMCFC
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Because working full time, there’s only so many days off you can take a year, and we usually fill them with trips to Spain, Florida and other European city destinations.Why not?
Don’t get me wrong - I was born and bred in Manchester and have always lived here. I had plenty of happy UK holidays as a kid, but whilst I can afford to, I like to travel abroad on holidays as often as I can. I find that I enjoy things far better when I can leave for somewhere abroad.
antspider
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I stay with an old friend in Amsterdam 2 or 3 times a year..
She doesn’t go out much and the money I give her to stay in her apartment really helps her.. So if we have both had the jab I am going to try to get out there in June, or sooner if poss . If this means having to take a PCR test that would be ok with me ..
She doesn’t go out much and the money I give her to stay in her apartment really helps her.. So if we have both had the jab I am going to try to get out there in June, or sooner if poss . If this means having to take a PCR test that would be ok with me ..
sir baconface
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And, believe it or not, there are plenty of things not everyone wants.Believe it or not, not everyone wants to holiday in Britain for a variety of reasons.
Boo hoo.
sir baconface
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WTF?How to prove my point.
I don’t work in the tourism industry.
I am up 30% year on year as a consequence of the pandemic. It has served me well financially.
Do you not agree that it would be a good step for “compliance” and public confidence and more importantly transparency for the epidemiologists to set out the framework of what the data would need to show for it to be deemed “safe”.
“safe” needs to be defined because right now no one has any idea.
Another good step would be for some mardarses to take their blinkers off.
You do know there are serious variants that haven’t made it here yet? (Against which there are doubts about vaccine efficacy.) And that some of our major neighbours are entering a third lockdown? And that many potential destinations have far lower vaccination rates than us?
Which bits don’t you understand?
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