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It’s crazy the criticism England are getting here. At the start of our innings, I reckon the chances of us winning were about 5%, the draw 75% and NZ 20%.

As you say, you start off playing not to lose against a new ball with fresh, world class bowlers. Couple that with 6 out of our top 7 either making their way in the game or fearing being dropped, there was no chance that we were going gung ho on a wearing pitch.

Test cricket is totally different to one day formats of the game and the one day formats are threatening to destroy it. People demand 5 an over for 5 hours on a tired pitch with a ball that actually swings and seams! Madness.
Reverse the situation and England would be getting slated for not setting up an earlier declaration giving themselves time to bowl them out. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of question marks about where we are as a Test team, particularly with this scheduled rotation policy, but the outrage over not chasing 273 in 2 sessions is crazy.
 
Reverse the situation and England would be getting slated for not setting up an earlier declaration giving themselves time to bowl them out. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of question marks about where we are as a Test team, particularly with this scheduled rotation policy, but the outrage over not chasing 273 in 2 sessions is crazy.
Totally agree. The lost day to rain caused the draw, not the teams.

This rotation policy drives me potty. Resting players that played half an IPL season. Why?
 
Totally agree. The lost day to rain caused the draw, not the teams.

This rotation policy drives me potty. Resting players that played half an IPL season. Why?
The ECB shows total disrespect to any country that isn't Australia, it doesn't matter that we are playing what is more or less the joint best test team in the world, it isn't important to those wallies.
 
The ECB shows total disrespect to any country that isn't Australia, it doesn't matter that we are playing what is more or less the joint best test team in the world, it isn't important to those wallies.
Yep and it generally doesn’t work as we go into every series undercooked and then play catch up.

We’ll get hammered by India if we don’t go full strength later in the summer.
 
matey england are shit and if NZ offered 150 root would still be ordering the blocking and just sit in and defend
273 in 75 overs boy that was some offer by NZ and root bottled it
I'm not questioning how good we are or how good Root is as a captain just your analysis of the game which on this occasion is as accurate of Harmisons opening delivery at the Gabba all those years ago :)
 
We are muddled at the monent.We go into games without a spinner.
There is Leach,Parkinson,Bess and Rashid.For me Rashid is the best but goes for too many runs for this captain however if you take wkts the runs dry up.Stokes and Buttler will come back im not sure Archer is that bothered about test match cricket.The batting is woeful they keep getting out the same way Sibley looks like he has something about him.We need to settle on a set 11 to 13 or this captain will lead us to another 5 nil defeat down under and saying we back the boys and this is the way we play.For me it is too late to change the Captain unfortunately,I would love Stokes to be captain as i think he would lead by example and would not go into his shell.As we will beat India here everybody will be saying they are good enough to beat the Aussies,Starc,Cummins and Hazelwood will destroy our top order Stokes will be coming in at 70 odd for 4 just like last time.
 
spot on what was there to lose
england would have got more credit out of the game if they went for it and lost than just sitting in and block and get the draw. the fans back for the first in a year and you would think lets give them something back
i think NZ did there part today when they offered a chance of a good finish ? but root and england stunk the place out

i laugh at myself sometimes ? why i keep banging my head on a brick wall with root and the ECB
because nothing will change and england will be cannon fodder in the ashes. this test match has shown me all i need to know and both captain and coach of england don't care enough about test cricket

no spinner. anderson and broad again. the batting line up. the opening pair not right.
but for me its was the NZ bowlers using the bouncer and our batters bar one ? not being able to handle it

you just know in the winter down under. chin music will be the order of the day and moeen ali will be our spinner
The top 3 was the reason that chase was never viable. If we'd of lost a couple of early wickets we were looking down the barrel of a defeat and the knives would have been out.

You always bang on about x y and z aren't good enough and I agree with you about the top 3 but who are you bringing in? Getting rid of Anderson and Broad is suicide and I agree on the spinner Parkinson has to be given a go at some stage this summer.
 
Made the mistake of popping on Twitter to find the usual numpties equating a couple of ill-advised tweets from years ago which were unnecessarily brought back up for points scoring moral outrage reasons only, to Shamima Begum joining ISIS and actively participating in a murderous terrorist cult.

Christ almighty. Should make digging through people's outdated social media an offence. Beyond a joke now.
 
Made the mistake of popping on Twitter to find the usual numpties equating a couple of ill-advised tweets from years ago which were unnecessarily brought back up for points scoring moral outrage reasons only, to Shamima Begum joining ISIS and actively participating in a murderous terrorist cult.

Christ almighty. Should make digging through people's outdated social media an offence. Beyond a joke now.
Should be auto deleted every year.
 
Made the mistake of popping on Twitter to find the usual numpties equating a couple of ill-advised tweets from years ago which were unnecessarily brought back up for points scoring moral outrage reasons only, to Shamima Begum joining ISIS and actively participating in a murderous terrorist cult.

Christ almighty. Should make digging through people's outdated social media an offence. Beyond a joke now.
I wish people would permanently delete you from social media. Does it never get boring being on the wrong side of absolute everything?
 
LCCC showing 11 of 14 group games on their youtube channel starting tomorrow at 14.30pm at home v Derbs.

Finn Allen set to debut with Butler and Livingston, has the potential for some crash bang wallop.
 
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